SynthMakerloopeytunes ·
anyone getting this? I'm contemplating it 😀
Loopey
Flowstone is finally here
From the original SynthMaker forum (2004–2014), with its members’ names and dates.
MichaelBenjamin ·
? i thought is was already there since 5 months
loopeytunes ·
I earlier recieved an e-mail with the details on the pro and enterprise versions and they're are now possible to download from the DSP robotics website where as before there wasn't the pro and enterprise versions only the free version. I already have the free version but i am now thinking about buying the pro version of this.
TheAudiophileDutchman ·
Is there an upgrade-path available from Synthmaker to FlowStone Professional? (this seems to be the only version supporting VSTi export).
aliasant ·
TheAudiophileDutchman wrote: Is there an upgrade-path available from Synthmaker to FlowStone Professional? (this seems to be the only version supporting VSTi export).
This is what I am waiting for. At least.
Right now the Flowstone forums are pretty much dead so any new customers might think its a dead platform.
What I would have done if I was in that position is to actualy give us SM owners the possibility to get a full Flowstone Professional license so that we move over to the Flowstone Forums and start posting in it.
Something in that line would work. I cant see why there should be both Synthmaker and its forums competing with Flowstone and its forums. I dont want to be active in both. Let us migrate and then kill SM. Long live Synthmaker!
MichaelBenjamin ·
flowstone professional (the only really usable version) is much too high priced. if they offer an upgrade for ~50 euro (green robot modules and sqrt in code) for sm users i would take it. and yes, flowstone forum is quite empty and since its 98% synthmaker it would make sense to merge the forums and declare sm officially discontinued. but since that "marketed as new" flowstone software is actually sm 1.1.8 it all still looks a bit wierd. i am also somewhat aversed to a software company where the people that made the software are named "admin". malc has disappeared. i liked malc. has he been exchanged by "admin"? anyways, if theres no upgrade offer, or if its unreasonably high priced, i stay with 1.1.7 and keep a lookout for new software next years that offers similar functionality.
trogluddite ·
Yes, heartily agree with the above few posts. Given the utter lack of documentation etc., this forum and the experience of the users here could be one of OutSim's biggest assets (sorry, DSProbotics - Why the new name? Ashamed of something?).
Sounds like the kind of ridiculous business management pushed by people with lots of bullshit qualifications, and no understanding of real customers - they have come up with the only way to launch FlowStone where everybody is a loser - New Flowstone users don't get the benefit of the experience available here, we will all end up deserting the dead-end software that Synthmaker is rapidly becoming, and OutSim/DSProbotics will (if it's very very lucky) be swallowed up by a heartless corporation, or just go bust.
IMHO, the only reason for not including legacy SM users (and the silly name change) is simple - reading the SM forum will reveal our honest (and mostly reasonable and constructive) opinions about the lack of updates, poor documentation, outdated VST/SSE support etc. But those issues have not gone away just because of a trendy re-branding to try and hit the educational technology market - I work in that industry; budgets are tight ATM right across the developed world, and potential educational customers will be inspecting with a microscope before spending their money.
Come to your senses, OutSim, and listen to the people who have got you this far - we'll all find something else if you go down the pan, but your business is at stake here and you are shooting yourselves in both feet.
rl ·
well spoken trogluddite! but I'm afraid no one of the outsim officials will ever read forum posts here. Malc & co: pls. prove me wrong in my opinion that there is no more progress in SM development.
Jay ·
Well after having a read at the Flowstone blog i think it is safe to say that we have been dropped like a stone! There are great amounts of development going on in that camp! Lovely hardware systems and modules a plenty! Some of the things promised to us lot are appearing there and we get empty promises and are left to wilt and die and eventually rot away in a pool of our own festering goo!
Outsim - Hey we have a new product but we wont forget you guys here at SM
is much the same as....
Hitler - Hey were just going take you all for a nice shower after that long and crowded train journey!
Regards
Nu Audio Science ·
The rumour mill is (And this has no official standing at all NO ONE AT OUTSIM OR WHATEVER THEY ARE NOW CALLED HAS SAID THIS) that Synthmaker is still around as a product only because it is part of the deal with IL that an update path was provided My own personal guess is that either IL buy SM as it stands completely and intergrate it totally (In other words no more updates ever) or SM is dead forever As far as i can see only Flowstone has any support and to be honest with you has the same issues SM has and is not worth upgrading at this point
NAS
Tom7777 ·
I don't visit the forum as much these days but i noticed Flowstone was released a while back and would have to agree with what NAS says also. I think the developers maybe want to get back in charge of their own project and because of the FL thing they might not be able to do that without a re-brand and new company but it seems there is less interest in SM now.
Since the FL deal first happened i always thought it would have a bad effect and it did in my opinion because the forum got flooded with all sorts of 'make me a synth' and 'how does i make phat sounds' posts from people who are not really interested in DSP but wanting to sell synths to make money. Back in the day though the forum was just people that were actually interested in DSP the theory of sound but other than a selection of new users and the regulars that seems to be gone now in my opinion, even though there is far more content it's not quite what it was.
The Flowstone thing seems to be trying to get away from Synthmaker since it has a new brand and not Outsim still. So it's just my guess but i got the impression Flowstone was trying to break away from the whole 'dj/easy synths' thing and go back to being professional and taking things to the next level with DSP and Hardware development.
Disco_Steve ·
I think the problem is that they would love to give us all a discount, without us there wouldnt be a flow stone. but they have done the numbers and they need to charge X per customer for the exspected uptake to make ends meet. the cost is still good compared to say NI LabView (shudder shudder I dont like LabView!). and they know that the most likely people to move across are us SM guys. they feel (and quite rightly so) that the robotics market is bigger than the music market, in terms of money. but dont want to leave the music market behind as they own a large share of the music software visual programing hobyists market on the PC (which is a small market to start with!), so they have straddled. we are not the prority, we arn't bringing in any more money (unless we mmove). but we are the most likely new coustomers, so they are keeping the SM forum On, but can't justify giving us any of their time or money off flowstone.
The thing that intreegs me most, is that if they told me 'SM IS DEAD' Flowstone is the new continuing version, I would move tomorrow! but becasue they havn't I havn't moved across yet. But I dont think they ever will, simply because it will upset the SM users who have just bought SM. and the free version of flowstone is better than the SM demo so I exspect many users would stick to that.
I get the impression they dont quite know how to handle the situation becasue their isn't a win win, only a win loose some situation. so they are playing the safe card and just causing iritation by not saying anything!
the only thing I can think of doing is this, I heard about someone doing this the other day for another company, maybe it would work for OutSim?
Dear DSP robotics. we know how to use your software becasue it is basically the same as SM. if we wrote the documentation for flowstone, the documentation EVERY user wants to have. at the level perfect for users as we are users! will you give us a free copy of your software.
love the SM comunity
any takers who will join me (and correct my spelling and gramma!)?
Steve
aliasant ·
Disco_Steve wrote: I think the problem is that they would love to give us all a discount, without us there wouldnt be a flow stone. but they have done the numbers and they need to charge X per customer for the exspected uptake to make ends meet. the cost is still good compared to say NI LabView (shudder shudder I dont like LabView!). and they know that the most likely people to move across are us SM guys. they feel (and quite rightly so) that the robotics market is bigger than the music market, in terms of money. but dont want to leave the music market behind as they own a large share of the music software visual programing hobyists market on the PC (which is a small market to start with!), so they have straddled. we are not the prority, we arn't bringing in any more money (unless we mmove). but we are the most likely new coustomers, so they are keeping the SM forum On, but can't justify giving us any of their time or money off flowstone.
The thing that intreegs me most, is that if they told me 'SM IS DEAD' Flowstone is the new continuing version, I would move tomorrow! but becasue they havn't I havn't moved across yet. But I dont think they ever will, simply because it will upset the SM users who have just bought SM. and the free version of flowstone is better than the SM demo so I exspect many users would stick to that.
I get the impression they dont quite know how to handle the situation becasue their isn't a win win, only a win loose some situation. so they are playing the safe card and just causing iritation by not saying anything!
the only thing I can think of doing is this, I heard about someone doing this the other day for another company, maybe it would work for OutSim?
Dear DSP robotics. we know how to use your software becasue it is basically the same as SM. if we wrote the documentation for flowstone, the documentation EVERY user wants to have. at the level perfect for users as we are users! will you give us a free copy of your software.
love the SM comunity
any takers who will join me (and correct my spelling and gramma!)?
Steve
Thats exacty what I was waiting for.
Flowstone wont grow unless they get an active forum and we are the ones that can fill that forum up and lure new guys in 🙂.. .. .... I mean help the new guys. If I was looking for a software like this I would first check to see if theres an active community for help, tips and ideas. If theres a forum with 3 new posts / week..... wel. I would go somewere else.
If Outsim gave us all a full License ( maybe give those that has the cheaper SM license the cheaper Flowstone License) we would make the backbone of the Flowstone forums and they would start making money from all the new Flowstone users but I guess they thought we would gladely pay for a new license. Most of us have limited fundings.
Wouldnt it be smarter to just get all of us over to the new forum and get it all rolling. The way it looks now seems a bit gready and shortsighted.
trogluddite ·
Yes, I would be happy to do that - I wouldn't even expect the crossgrade to be free. After all, those of us here who already help out other users don't begrudge that we had to pay for SM - we help because it is a reciprocal relationship from which we also learn.
DSP Robotics are free to make a crossgrade offer any time they wish, and I can't believe for a moment that there wasn't a management 'brainstorm' before the Flowstone launch where that possibility was considered... ...which would imply that the current course of events is a deliberate marketing strategy (purely commercial of course, I'm not trying to imply any kind of malicious intent)
But a crossgrade offer needs to be reasonable - for example, why does only the expensive 'pro' version have VST export? Why can I not have a cheaper 'FlowStone DSP' version with less of the Robotics stuff that I'm never going to use? That seems calculated to exclude SM users - and as NAS implied, may be purely related to the FL deal. Also, although there may well be new modules a plenty for FlowStone, they appear not to be the things which SM users have been crying out for - I don't want to crossgrade only to find that I am still stuck with VST2.3, SSE1, poor MIDI timing etc. indefinitely, because all the development effort is aimed at a different kind of user.
I have emailed 'admin' with a link to this thread, and a quick summary of the opinions and suggestions posted here, fingers crossed!
In terms of the robotics/telemetry etc. market - yes LabView is awful - but every single time my employers release new hardware, the first question our dealers ask is 'does it support LabView'. It may be a pain to use, but it is the 'Photoshop', 'JCB', 'Hoover' of it's kind. DSP Robotics have a huge amount of inertia to overcome to break into that market - all the more reason to launch it with a ready made userbase of willing and able 'mentors' for their potential customers.
trogluddite ·
I realise that it may be a little rude of me to speak on behalf of others, so here is the text of the mail I sent to 'admin' just so that you are all aware of what has been said...
Hi There, As you may be aware there is much concern (dissent!?) among the legion of loyal SynthMaker users regarding the status of SM development since the launch of Flowstone.
Frankly, (as we see it) we have supported OutSim both fiinancially with our licences, and as a knowledgable and friendly community of 'mentors' for new users. We feel that we have added value to your software by making it more attractive to potential customers by giving free tuition, documenting its many features and finding solutions to the problems often encountered by those new to DSP programming. We feel that, although we may have had good value for money from our licences, it is a let down that software we love and which has so much potential seems now to be a dead end, as OutSim (in its new guise as DSP robotics) moves on to pastures new.
On a more positive note, if there were reasonable assurances that FlowStone would continue to be useful as a VST plugin development tool, and a reasonable crossgrade offer were made, most of us would be happy to contribute our time and knowledge to add that same value to your new software.
We realise that there are many commercial and contractual considerations that may restrict your options - but we are not merely crying 'it's not fair' because you won't fulfil our every request for SMs further development. We really do feel that we have something to offer you too - you are trying to break into a competetive new market, and need all the 'Unique Selling Points' you can lay your hands on. Software is nothing without the knowledge to use it effectively - and the SM community has that knowledge in spades.
i realise that commercial confidentiality may make a reply, either privately or in public, problematic - but I hope at least that you will take the time to read the opinions of other SM users that you can find at the following thread... Flowstone is finally here
I have immensely enjoyed using your software - i really do hope that I am not forced to start afresh with one of the horrible clunky alternatives.
Trogluddite.
Disco_Steve ·
Well said mate. Fingers crossed!
FreeRideSkier ·
I agree with Disco Steve, there is no win, win here! Synthmaker is a music tool, and FlowStone is a competitor to NI LabView ($5000). None of the new stuff in FlowStone will help a musician, and whilst there are lot’s of SM experts in this forum, are they also experts in Robotics? (Maybe some are?)
Synthmaker is great! It still is great! And it is most definitely not dead!
My Synthmaker still works and isn’t broken!
My concerns are more with the future of computer music production? Should I move over to MAC? Logic? What is the future of Steinberg? 64 Bit? Will VST and ASIO even be here in a couple of years?
aliasant ·
Nice one Trogg. That covers most of it. Did you mail it to Flowstone or Synthmaker?
MichaelBenjamin ·
good email trogluditte, nicely written, i approve.
exonerate ·
I agree they have shot their selves in the foot buy abandoning the SM community and starting a fresh one. All the information on this site is still 100% relevent to flowstone. I actually directed a flowstone user over to this site because they were asking audio related questions and wanted to know supported ASM opcodes ect.
On this site there is knowledge built up over years, optimization tricks lot's of usesful modules ect. Flowstone will benefit hugely from this communites wealth of knowledge and experiance.
So I do agree it's in outsims best interest to entice SM users over to flowstone, with a discount. Now I've definetly had my moneys worth out of SM, despite it's shortfalls and all my dreaming of what this software could be, I'm happy with my purchase.
But Flowstone is 99% the same software as SM and to have the same features which I take for granted ( unlimited project sizes, VST export ect..) I have to pay £495? . I personally just cannot afford this, probably ever.
I would pay the current price of SM £120 for flowstone enterprise as long as it has VST export and possibly the project size limit is increased a bit.
I do want to move over to Flowstone because it has features which would be great for music, like controlling a synth with the x box 360 controller and the wii remote 🙂. I doubt these will be added to SM. I'm also quite interested in the new video playback stuff.
I do understand the need to break from SM and remarket the software at a new kind of client. I always felt SM was selling it's self short aiming at the "built your own synths with ease" type market and lets face it it's always been too complex to really succeed there, regardless if it is easy to use. I've always viewed SM as a graphical programming language and it's great so see it finally be called such and being aimed at people who will appreciate this.
Personnally the only future I see now for SM is the FL studio plugin. Max MSP no longer exports to vst they now just have a plugin for ableton live, they made that choice because the "make your own plugins" market is just too small, supporting it is just not cost effective. SM will go the same way. It's obvious to me at least that SM has never sold that well and it's relatively cheap. So I doubt has made outsim any money at all.
So in a nutshell I would move over to flowstone and be active in the forums if we was offered a crossgrade discount. At the moment I'm just sitting back and not making an decisions until there is some word from outsim as to the future of SM and if any crossgrade will be made available.
I'll also say this, if/when flowstone starts to sell well to it's target audience your going to get alot of people posting questions on the forum, when this happens your going to need us power users.
Cheers 😉
Exo
TomC ·
I bought the standard (=more expensive) version of SynthMaker to sell my plug-ins, but couldn't do so because of some unsolved issues SynthMaker has with Cubase 4 and Cubase 5.
Now, with Flowstone around the corner, I doubt that those issues ever get sorted out by Outsim. And, without a reasonable cross-grade plan, I won't pay the 580 Eurobucks for the Enterprise version (which I would need for my projects) just to find out that VST hasn't any priority anymore.
A clear statement (crossgrade options and VST support) for Flowstone is needed. Without that statement the SynthMaker/Flowstone community will lose another member.
I'm pretty sure Outsim/DSP Robotics can live without me, but I'm also pretty sure that I will NOT be the only one. And with the developers, the know-how will go as well. Compare the DSPR Wiki with our Wiki here!
Tom
exonerate ·
FreeRideSkier wrote: I agree with Disco Steve, there is no win, win here! Synthmaker is a music tool, and FlowStone is a competitor to NI LabView ($5000). None of the new stuff in FlowStone will help a musician, and whilst there are lot’s of SM experts in this forum, are they also experts in Robotics? (Maybe some are?)
Synthmaker is great! It still is great! And it is most definitely not dead!
My Synthmaker still works and isn’t broken!
My concerns are more with the future of computer music production? Should I move over to MAC? Logic? What is the future of Steinberg? 64 Bit? Will VST and ASIO even be here in a couple of years?
Yes but Flowstone isn't limited to robotics is it? One of the first posts on the flowstone forums was actually audio related which I helped with there was also one to do with the GUI side of things which I'm a bit of an expert in also. 😈 😇
And I'm sure I could help out with any robotics issues, after all it just come down to programming and math.
I will be using flowstone free for a few things and just don't want to be split between flowstone and synthmaker I just want to do it all in one package. So obviously I should move over to flowstone then but since they are 99% the same software I cannot justify to my self paying the high price which is being asked.
Off course this is not outsims problem my money worries are my own, but getting some power users over to flowstone would benefit that community greatly.
Cheers 😉
Exo
MichaelBenjamin ·
further suggestion: offer academic/student licenses at ~1/5 the usual price
edit: i just checked out that national instruments (wierd name, never heard of it) labview page and they offer student licenses for a fraction of the usual price around 40€.
trogluddite ·
aliasant wrote: Did you mail it to Flowstone or Synthmaker?
SynthMaker admin - mainly in the hope that that address still refers to Malc, he's always been cool in my previous dealings with him - and it's my understanding that it's the same bunch of people either way. If anybody else has other contacts that they feel may be more responsive, feel free to cut and paste!
FreeRideSkier wrote: SM experts in this forum, are they also experts in Robotics?
For sure, there will be a need for people with specific hardware knowledge - but much like the SM forum, many posts will not be application specific. SM is effectively a programming language with graphcal symbols- no matter what the application is, fluency in the language still has be learned somehow. In fact, for the robotics experts, it will be precisely issues like understanding the green trigger system, workings of primitives, lowering CPU load, creating a GUI etc. that are likely to raise the most questions - the purely robotics subjects (e.g. phasing stepper motor drivers, PWM servo control) they will already understand (and hopefully we'll get the chance to learn some cool tricks from them too) A good analogy would be my attitude to filters - give me a code block containing a filter algorithm, and I can generate a nicely optimised assembly equivalent - but I've never had the slightest understanding of how the coefficients and equations are designed in the first place.
I've done my fair share of bleating about SMs limitations, but Disco's posts made me realise that emphasisng the mutual benefits for us and DSP robotics is the best chance we have of getting at least some sort of compromise.
Mo ·
As i see it SynthMaker AND Flowstone really needs a compatibility fix, ones in a while for the VST export, then everyone should be happy. Lack of support on serious bugs like multible instances of the example synth, crashing Cubase, makes it pretty frustrating to develop VST's. It is fair to pay for Flowstone if you want network etc. but if Flowstone is the only app that get's developer attention and fixed VST export, VST developers would be forced to pay €580 for a bug fix???
Tom7777 ·
I see export to EXE listed as a feature but VST is not listed in Compare Versions page, i am sure it's a feature but probably not the focus, it's clear the focus is working with hardware devices.
For the price you are talking about working with hardware which has higher costs anyway so it's aimed at a totally different market even though it will probably interest some people here. The site also says 'Graphical real time computer programming language' and highlights graphical which also suggests that it will become more of a complete programming language and not just audio.
Disco_Steve ·
I'm really concerned your right. SM was one of those Dragons Den ideas, which sound great but as soon as you look at the market size its just not viable as a product. the effort needed to keep SM up to date with all the new VST standards and Bug fixes for all the different DAW's its just not viable.
we are just being left to slowly stop and move on to something else. but they can't do what normally hapens in this situation and make the source code open, because they are using it in flowstone.
they dont want to give us an upgrade option because they know that we will then demand the latest VST support and vst related bug fixes that they know they cann't justify providing, in flowstone becasue flowstone is for hardware, which also has a buggy VST export option (coff) but we wont talk about that, its for rapid protoyping (which is what I use SM for anyhow!) and not as a fuly blown VST export feature. (coff)
sorry guys all this talk I think has lead to a very sensible and logical concusion.
SM is going to be left to get old, bring in a deminishing number of new users with the comunity splitting.
I personally would still like to move to flowstone even just as a rapid prototyping environment! and we are all agreed that if given a cheap option, and a few words telling us what we will be getting (i.e. a road map) we will be happy to move across and not have fixed VST support, because we understand that thats not what flowstone does. because we have been told so.
come on DSPR give us an move over price, give us a road map, and you will have a large number of new users (and lots of money in your bank!) and a happy comitted online comunity! that are happy to recomend your product.
Tom7777 ·
I would think that what you have said is probably correct Disco_Steve.
I remember when the FL deal first happened i thought it might be the end for SM, i owned a software called seamless looper that is part of FL now and that is no more now. As well as the forums getting flooded the FL deal also probably stopped a VST/VSTi version of SM making it like reaktor from ever happening. As you say SM probably won't go open source because of Flowstone and this also as i doubt FL would want it's competition apps adding SM into them. SM will probably stay in FL though and maybe even keep getting updated even if the standalone app is no more.
Flowstone probably wants to avoid VST being a main focus because i am guessing that always slowed development as there is always some issue with one of the many hosts/sequencers. My guess would be that Malc wanted to make SM more like Max/MSP and other similar apps that have good audio support but also much more but couldn't because of all the restrictions and the fact the program is called Synth Maker etc so only a re-brand and new product would allow that.
For all the years i have had SM i have got a lot of value from it though and use it like others here to make synths but also mainly for prototyping. I don't expect a free upgrade but a reduced upgrade offer to flowstone would be nice if that is ever available.
FreeRideSkier ·
You have your official reply!
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Houston we have a signal!
rl ·
Funny situation isn't it? The forums being flooded with guesswork about the future of the product of former loyal now pissed users. I'd consider this as a marketing disaster.
trogluddite ·
But how many other pieces of geeky software would generate such an upwelling of passion (and moral outrage!) from their users? - I've never seen anything like it since Logic went Mac only. Shows that despite all the various issues that we'd like fixed/upgraded, there is something about the SM way of programming that really is unique and appealing.
Anyway - having read the announcement - I guess this thread can revert to a nice discussion about Flowstone and no more references to Hitler! (Jay, you naughty boy - have you never heard of Godwin's Law!? 😉 )
And given a good crossgrade deal - I am actually very interested in FlowStone too. I have a couple of projects that would be so much better as standalone hardware, rather than plugins.
[EDIT] P.S. Just checked my e-mail - and there was a reply to the 'appeal' I sent yeasterday in which Malc thanked me (us) for my (our) concern personally. Sounds like he's been sweating buckets over meeting the FlowStone release deadline, but rest assured, he has not forgotten about his rag-tag mob of geeky fans!
Disco_Steve ·
YAY!!
one of the best bits sometimes is when your compleatly wrong!! bring on SM2!!! (or rarther 1.extra 🙂 )
Tom7777 ·
Not completely wrong, a check list -
SM possibly ending? = Wrong, although many of us only questioned it as it did look that way for a while.
FL deal caused problems? = Probably correct if not thinking money wise, i doubt there will ever be a vsti/vst version, could have other restrictions, forum is too flooded now (in my opinion) even though there is a FL forum and FlowStone is not using the Outsim brand either.
Flowstone aims at a different market? = Correct
Flowstone avoids VST? = Correct
In any case though it's good to know that SM will be staying around and also that there is a update on the way. 😀
Acrobat ·
trogluddite wrote: I guess this thread can revert to a nice discussion about Flowstone
I'm quite surprised too see my beloved Synthmaker reappear with another name on another company! 😮 I guess there were some ecomomic problems and the sold the rights to a bigger company...?!? 😮
A.
Andrew J ·
Acrobat wrote: trogluddite wrote: I guess this thread can revert to a nice discussion about Flowstone
I'm quite surprised too see my beloved Synthmaker reappear with another name on another company! 😮 I guess there were some ecomomic problems and the sold the rights to a bigger company...?!? 😮
A.
Gosh, where have you been Andrea? Don't worry, it's a division of Outsim.
stw ·
Andrew J wrote: Acrobat wrote: trogluddite wrote: I guess this thread can revert to a nice discussion about Flowstone
I'm quite surprised too see my beloved Synthmaker reappear with another name on another company! 😮 I guess there were some ecomomic problems and the sold the rights to a bigger company...?!? 😮
A.
Gosh, where have you been Andrea? Don't worry, it's a division of Outsim.
Uh.. thougtht it was sarcasm... 😉
Acrobat ·
Not exactly, I got mixed feelings, as I thought as a registered user I was expecting to receive at least some advice about those big changes in policy and distribution!
Acrobat ·
Can anyone please point me out to some real differences between the old and the new product? Someone here wrote about VST no longer supported...? I'm quite confused...
aliasant ·
Acrobat wrote: Can anyone please point me out to some real differences between the old and the new product? Someone here wrote about VST no longer supported...? I'm quite confused...
I hear you!
There aint an old/new product really. There is the old, buggy Synthmaker which hopefully will get a nice update soon.
Then there is the "new" Flowstone product which is basicly SM but aimed for a different market and without the VST capabilities. Flowstone also has a lot of new modules and primitives and some of them will end up in SM. Which ones is unclear to me at the moment.
I personally dont like this new situation at all since I want both but can only afford one of them. Also owning both would mean spending time in both forums and 1 is confusing enough for me.
oddson ·
aliasant wrote: Flowstone also has a lot of new modules and primitives and some of them will end up in SM. Which ones is unclear to me at the moment.
I know there's a lot of new modules but what new primitives are there?
Acrobat ·
I hear you!
thank you martin
Now I'm getting the picture, well I think throwing away the VST export is kinda bizarre... I remember it was one of the main reasons why I bought SM. I dont' know if we old, rocky users gonna GAIN or LOSE something from this, how to call it, "new economics" mess, let's see what the future brings... must admit I am a peculiar user anyway because you probably all know that I'm stuck at version 1.1.1 from more than an year since.... saludos! Andrea 😉
datsound ·
does flowstone have any new graphics capabilities? i want to be able to display a few dozen bitmaps on an xy grid in different colors 😉
TomC ·
oddson wrote: aliasant wrote: Flowstone also has a lot of new modules and primitives and some of them will end up in SM. Which ones is unclear to me at the moment.
I know there's a lot of new modules but what new primitives are there?
What do you mean with 'primitives'? Something you can't click into? If so I can post a list.
Tom
loopeytunes ·
primitives - you cannot go inside modules - you can go inside
oddson ·
TomC wrote: oddson wrote: aliasant wrote: Flowstone also has a lot of new modules and primitives and some of them will end up in SM. Which ones is unclear to me at the moment.
I know there's a lot of new modules but what new primitives are there?
What do you mean with 'primitives'? Something you can't click into? If so I can post a list.
Tom
Yes... primitives are the basic units, modules are made up of primitives.
I've seen a number of modules that are not part of the stock kit of SynthMaker but I've not noticed what new primitives there are.
I guess there would have to be a few input/output related primitives for the features that have to do with robotic control. But are there any that would be relevant to audio?
A list would be nice.
TomC ·
oddson wrote: Yes... primitives are the basic units, modules are made up of primitives.
Incomplete list:
External: COM port, Network Client, Network Server, all new hardware interfaces like XBox360...
Element: After Duplicate
Maths: Float Queue
DSP: Mono to Graph (4 input and 8 input version)
Imagery: Camshift Tracker, Canny Edge, Colour detect, Haar Face detect, Image Download, Motion Detect, Video Delay, Video Save, Video Stream, Web Cam
GUI: Key Pad
System: Audio Devices, Exe Quit, Exe Zoom, Shell Execute with more parameters,
I probably missed a couple of new ones, and/or falsely mentioned something already in SM. But, hey, I'm on my first coffee for today 🙂
Tom
Mo ·
Just found new trigger blocker primitives for string, bool and Int in the Flow folder.
TomC ·
Mo wrote: Just found new trigger blocker primitives for string, bool and Int in the Flow folder.
Good find
oddson ·
Mo wrote: Just found new trigger blocker primitives for string, bool and Int in the Flow folder.
These should be SM released on any update prior to the major one. We've been missing them for a very long time.
trogluddite ·
oddson wrote: should be SM released on any update
Would be nice to know exactly what is going to 'migrate' over to the SM update - until we see our update we are in the dark as to how SM will be 'feature limitied' to justify its cheaper selling price.
nix ·
There's something on the way this week for Flowstone according to a mail I received from OutSim. For sure I will get it this Christmas, Outsim, the version with all the bells and whistles 😍
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