Re-Education ?

oddson · 7 Aug 2010

The real tragedy was the Illuminati's secret conspiracy to assassinate archduke Franz Ferdinand and blame Serbian extremists thereby triggering WWI. Then the Jews bribed the German high command to capitulate (even though they were not losing the war), setting up the Wiemar Republic and reparations and hyperinflation so that the German people would be receptive to Hitler (who was really half-Jewish) who acted as a puppet and then pretended to inflict a Holocaust on "six-million" European Jews (when there were never more than a few hundred thousand) thus justifying the take-over of Palestine and also allow American politics to be taken over by Zionist sympathizers who blindly support Israel for 50 years thus breeding instability and discontent in the Arab world so that an attack by extremists would be plausible to the American public....

OK I can be bothered coming up with this drivel anymore... but my point is that it's not too difficult to connect the meanderings of history into a scenario that appeals to peoples paranoia and prejudices to say some big evil group is behind it all.

Did Dick Chaney manipulate the anger of the America public (and his alleged boss) in the wake of 911 to justify a war that had more to do with (re)imposing American hegemony on the middle east... yeah, I'll buy that. Did they actively plan and make it happen. It's not too likely given the biggest confirmed conspiracy in American politics was Nixon trying to cover up the 'dirty tricks' squad. A handful of people knew about that and they still couldn't contain it. There's no way with the hundreds (thousands) of people that would have to be involved in '911 was in inside job' would be able to keep it together.

But that's just my opinion... (or at least that's what I want you to believe!).

Acrobat · 8 Aug 2010

I'm with Oddson on these. But what can make me sad is not politics in itself but the fact that so many people are more and more attracted by these ever growing media productions that tend to make us worry about things that simply does not relate to us, even remotely relate to us. Newspapers started it all, to my eyes. It seems we are so rich that we have time care about very remote problems but that's an illusion, afterall, and you're gonna waste a lot of time, afterall. Over-simplifying, it's clear that if you watch these kind of movies you want to get worried and that's clinical, it is always been called "masochism". I watched a lot of these things in the past years and I admit I was doing masochism practies, simply as that. Now I laugh at that as I laugh thinking about when I was a smoker. It could be fun, yeah, but it's like poker, you're treating money in the wrong way even if you win and you know it well, everytime you sit at the table. 😉

2nvu · 8 Aug 2010

oddson wrote: The real tragedy was the Illuminati's secret conspiracy to assassinate archduke Franz Ferdinand and blame Serbian extremists thereby triggering WWI. Then the Jews bribed the German high command to capitulate (even though they were not losing the war), setting up the Wiemar Republic and reparations and hyperinflation so that the German people would be receptive to Hitler (who was really half-Jewish) who acted as a puppet and then pretended to inflict a Holocaust on "six-million" European Jews (when there were never more than a few hundred thousand) thus justifying the take-over of Palestine and also allow American politics to be taken over by Zionist sympathizers who blindly support Israel for 50 years thus breeding instability and discontent in the Arab world so that an attack by extremists would be plausible to the American public....

OK I can be bothered coming up with this drivel anymore... but my point is that it's not too difficult to connect the meanderings of history into a scenario that appeals to peoples paranoia and prejudices to say some big evil group is behind it all.

Did Dick Chaney manipulate the anger of the America public (and his alleged boss) in the wake of 911 to justify a war that had more to do with (re)imposing American hegemony on the middle east... yeah, I'll buy that. Did they actively plan and make it happen. It's not too likely given the biggest confirmed conspiracy in American politics was Nixon trying to cover up the 'dirty tricks' squad. A handful of people knew about that and they still couldn't contain it. There's no way with the hundreds (thousands) of people that would have to be involved in '911 was in inside job' would be able to keep it together.

But that's just my opinion... (or at least that's what I want you to believe!).

Ok thanks for your thoughts ,Oddson. it would seem you are very well informed, i heard many times people say, in some of these conspiracies thousands of people would have to be involed to pull off such plots? So lets take the Banking System for starters, world wide i would,nt like to guess how many people work for the Banking system, i would think it would be in the thousands/many, & Yet just a handfull of "Elitist Bankers" with there " Fony Credit system " , managed to bring the whole system to a "World wide crash", i am not sure the Banking staff/Clerks will have seen that one coming? & i wonder why , On that dreadfull day, when Dick Chaney was being informed of an incoming plane, making its way towards the Pentagon, by Norman Mineta/Cheif of Transport , did he not make a phone call to the other end of the Pentagon/Building , where 125 Pentagon staff sadly died, after all it was the very same building , & they knew this plane was coming 45mins before it arrived? of course this was all "chaired by Lee Hamalton" who was head of the 911 Commission at that time????? ,,,, the video is doing the rounds , & what about the Line, 19 Arabs "Alone+Boxcutters" succesfully eluded the American Airforce, APress/New York times boasted many times that America's Airforce Was indeed the Flagship Airforce, it really does take your breath away? 😉 lol What was that Famous line, O yehhh , they where playing War Games, so they could not tell the real Hijacked planes, wow , Ps i am sure that line came up in a Superman series? lol ,,, 😉

oddson · 8 Aug 2010

I'll acknowledge this much... the only conspiracies the public is aware of with any certainty are those that fail.

So pointing to one that failed and saying "see, you can't get away with a major conspiracy" isn't really a compelling argument.

But when you work in/with bureaucracies you know that it doesn't take a conspiracy to explain why what, in hindsight, seemed obvious wasn't acted upon... it just takes bureaucratic inertia.

Anyway I don't think either of us will 'win' this argument with the other.

MichaelBenjamin · 8 Aug 2010

i think that these movies, which i also watched alot, dont make you worry in the big picture, if anything they make you aware how things, opinions and history gets constructed by the ones that influence the distribution and how things may be going in future if nobody is aware of that. the internet is a key technology here which is still partially out of control from established authorities, which is very good and useful, and so these conspiracy thoughts are a natural expression of what is actual evolution of a self sustainable humanity. surely these movies and thoughts are often overexaggerated and sometimes really phantastic, but i believe that there is some sense behind all that, which will help further badly needed changes to occur, and this basically means: take in question all authority from the outside and meanwhile develop authority from the inside, so you dont need any outside leaders who tell you whatever they might be thinking at the moment. on this road, it is very important to understand that the lesson of hitler and ww2 was not to dismiss the swastika as a symbol of evil and the holocaust as the direct result of hellish nazism with hitler as a bizarre onetime villain, but to reveal the need for a functional inner working leadership in every human as the only solution that may prevent similar results under any symbol and general badging in future. this fascist behaviour still occurs disguised in many other places under many other circumstances in detail all over the world today, and it needs to go if humans want to take the next step. bla bla..

MichaelBenjamin · 8 Aug 2010

btw, i think its totally possible that something which is hold as general consensus to be true is actually totally wrong, as this has happened many times in history before. so all those theories float in the "maybe-maybe not" realm untill they have been proven first hand, so no worries before that, but having fun about senseless speculations, which leads to the other catchphrase of sanity being the only madness that is.

2nvu · 8 Aug 2010

Acrobat wrote: I'm with Oddson on these. But what can make me sad is not politics in itself but the fact that so many people are more and more attracted by these ever growing media productions that tend to make us worry about things that simply does not relate to us, even remotely relate to us. Newspapers started it all, to my eyes. It seems we are so rich that we have time care about very remote problems but that's an illusion, afterall, and you're gonna waste a lot of time, afterall. Over-simplifying, it's clear that if you watch these kind of movies you want to get worried and that's clinical, it is always been called "masochism". I watched a lot of these things in the past years and I admit I was doing masochism practies, simply as that. Now I laugh at that as I laugh thinking about when I was a smoker. It could be fun, yeah, but it's like poker, you're treating money in the wrong way even if you win and you know it well, everytime you sit at the table. 😉

Hmmm, well an alternative outlet of news/information, is important, / internet / for instance, i am from England, so i listen to English news, now when Bush & Blair where both pissing Blood on Iraq, our BBC news was telling us how we should support these two Hero's? in there quest to Save us all from the Evil Taliban/Terrorism, i am sure you can imagine how many news bullitens+that would amount too, 2003/2008?????? then came along Mr Obama, & suddenley within weeks of Obama running for election,& from the very same news channel BBC, was a documentary of Bush & Blair , on just how much money they made from the Iraq War, So if you are saying i am just a conspiracie Nut or theorist then yes i am, & Proud of it 😀 & yes i am a smoker? 😉

2nvu · 8 Aug 2010

oddson wrote: I'll acknowledge this much... the only conspiracies the public is aware of with any certainty are those that fail.

So pointing to one that failed and saying "see, you can't get away with a major conspiracy" isn't really a compelling argument.

But when you work in/with bureaucracies you know that it doesn't take a conspiracy to explain why what, in hindsight, seemed obvious wasn't acted upon... it just takes bureaucratic inertia.

Anyway I don't think either of us will 'win' this argument with the other.

Well thanks anyways for your input, oddson, & i would like to say it was not ment to be argument, not from my point of veiw, i only Named it so, Re-Education for those who look to an alternative outlet, & not the BrainWashing Diorea that floods out of Murdocs asshole? Since he owns more than 50% of the western media, i figure its worth a mesion.

2nvu · 8 Aug 2010

MichaelBenjamin wrote: btw, i think its totally possible that something which is hold as general consensus to be true is actually totally wrong, as this has happened many times in history before. so all those theories float in the "maybe-maybe not" realm untill they have been proven first hand, so no worries before that, but having fun about senseless speculations, which leads to the other catchphrase of sanity being the only madness that is.

Is it not the Sands of time, that wipe our Memories away? do u think perhaps thats why they have thoses secret policies intact, not to release information to "Stupid old joe public" you know the one's i mean 25, years before we get to hear the real story, For many sand storms will have passed & the landscape will have changed. anyway i thought we were supposed to learn from the past, how can we, when certain people go out of there way to burie it? all in the name of , its for the greater_Good,,, 😠 What a load of Bollocks ,,,, for their greater good , that is ,,,, remember the scene in Goodfellows, where the "Don_in_waiting", is betraid by his best friend/family? One day it may knock on your door, i dont mean you in paticular Michael, i mean in genral. 😮 & at a guess, this time next year , i wonder will you have a very drasticaly different veiw?

Acrobat · 8 Aug 2010

2nvu wrote: One day it may knock on your door

OK, yes it may happen, but of course it may NEVER happen in your damn CASE. That's the point for me, if you want to be positive or NOT. You decide for your BODY. I used to wath these kinda movies with a friend. Once we met and he has just returned back from a dog-hospital saying, "Hey they put a micrchip in his ear, so I can find it in case he get lost!". I stopped him, looked at him very angry and told: "Why did you let them do that? Just after we watched all those videos about microchipped population?" Man is strange, man is so contradictory. You see something but it's like you don't beleieve it really, you act like if it's never been told 2 you. So why the hell you watch it? Am I too practical? A.

stw · 8 Aug 2010

Acrobat wrote: So why the hell you watch it?

It's all about entertainment...