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2nvu ·
You know, since i have been coming to SM Forum, for myself i have learned quite a lot of important beginers tips ,some of the do's & the dont do's, a couple of people have given me a well deserved "clip around the earhole" 😉 but thats got nothin to do with my point,which is how i see things at SM-Forum , Some of you Boffins who have been at this Synthersis process for such a long time, its about time you stepped down from " upon_high " & started to incourage new people who come to the forum, rather than "discourage". not anserwing simple questions ,or not pointing to a Tutorial that will help, a newbie. i could count on 1 hand with digits to spare , just how many people have actualy helped me, Remember the first line on SynthMakers Website ? learn how to build your own Synthersizers or FX Without learning Code? & please spare me the line all the answers are at wiki, cos they aint...somtimes just a simplistick reply can resolve an issue for a newbie,,,rather than Stoning them out 'with a bit of Flow? < lol > ok Rant over 😀
oddson ·
That's kinda sad that that's been your impression of the forum because it was always a pretty friendly place.
2nvu ·
oddson wrote: That's kinda sad that that's been your impression of the forum because it was always a pretty friendly place.
Yeh , your right Oddson, it is sad. but i have wanted to say it for a few days now , i myself put three questions out there that no one replied too, ok in the end , i found the answers by looking in wiki. but some pointers would of been very much helpfull. this is my point.
Disco_Steve ·
for me infusion is the most 'up on high' and he helps and welcomes everyone.
in fact if there is to be a King of the forum I couldn't think of anyone better than Infusion could be.
I think you have interpreted no helpful reply's as us ignoring you, when really its just that we are all so busy and can't reply to everything.
that's why my post count is 'so' low.
and I've been here for years (not as long as some but quite a while) and check this forum almost everyday.
post a post with links to the posts that you need help with.
I'll try to give you a hand.
like oddson I would like to think we are nice to every member here
aliasant ·
Disco_Steve wrote: like oddson I would like to think we are nice to every member here
I ahve o agree. I don know of any such friendly and helpful place as this but I understand that i is frusrating sometimes.
It takes time to learn these things. Most you will learn by fearless headbanging too a wall of questions and of course rial and error.
Most of us are indeed busy and will try to help if we have time and the questions are straight forward, one at the time and comes with an osm that we can look at.
If those crits are met you will most likely get plenty of help and learn a shitload.
A question like: "How do I build a chorus" wont get you any answers at all but specific questions about parts inside the chorus your building and an example .osm will most likely ge you many good and helpful answers.
There are a lot of intelligent nerds here who has to much time and would love to help.
Dont include me in that nerdgang cause Im pretty, good looking and handsome and not at all that clever!
2nvu ·
aliasant wrote:
Disco_Steve wrote: like oddson I would like to think we are nice to every member here
I ahve o agree. I don know of any such friendly and helpful place as this but I understand that i is frusrating sometimes.
It takes time to learn these things. Most you will learn by fearless headbanging too a wall of questions and of course rial and error.
Most of us are indeed busy and will try to help if we have time and the questions are straight forward, one at the time and comes with an osm that we can look at.
If those crits are met you will most likely get plenty of help and learn a shitload.
A question like: "How do I build a chorus" wont get you any answers at all but specific questions about parts inside the chorus your building and an example .osm will most likely ge you many good and helpful answers.
There are a lot of intelligent nerds here who has to much time and would love to help.
Dont include me in that nerdgang cause Im pretty, good looking and handsome and not at all that clever!
Hahaha i love your Honesty & so Modest with it, lol & i guess your right about the type of question that is asked, & wether there is a Osm attached or not , i know & understand many people here are really quite busy, but noboby is ever that busy, that they can not point the way, to a tut, or offer a tip ? perhaps i am being over_cencertive or somthing. but i have always spoken my mind, so thats why i had my quick rant, but thanks for your thoughts , 😀
infuzion ·
Well, since you're on a rantpage 2nvu, have you considered these facts:
1) We're volunteers. So perhaps even some help should be considered a gift? But you can never expect volunteers do exactly what you want them to do.
2) We might be busy doing our own thing. Sorry, life happens.
3) How much have you helped? Had any answers at all? So why aren't they in the WIKI? You have 100 posts now, I'm sure atleast 1 question has been answered.
4) One of the things that makes SM so difficult is that the documentation is so poor. This is not the users' fault; it needs to be addressed by Outsim. The Wiki should only fill in the a few minor potholes & provide a few extra off-ramps. As it is, most of the road is missing except a 2-lane dirt path with a few spots paved.
5) SM is a hardcore programmers' tool, not really the slap-together kit for those new to DSP & programming like is may portray itself to be. SynthEdit is more like that since it has more pre-made modules, & perhaps Reaktor.
Disco_Steve ·
Thank you infusion you proved my point about you nicely 🙂
trogluddite ·
My own personal little rant on this subject...
When posting an osm that you want help with - please tidy it up first!! When there is no naming of ins/outs/modules, and the links cross over everything and run for miles off the edge of the screen, it is just too big of a job to decipher the schematic to see what is wrong. If the schematic is neat, then help can be given far more easily - and often you will find many of the bugs yourself as you do the tidying.
Even better is to just post a smaller schematic that has only the problem modules.
Also, it is annoying when people ask for help with basic DSP issues, then say 'I can't post my .osm because it is the world's-best-synth-ever that I want to keep secret' - If your synth was really that good, you wouldn't be asking for help. Personally I tend to avoid anything that comes with unrealistic hyperbole attached!
P.S. @2nvu. These are just intended as general points for all readers, not as criticism of you personally. I do sympathise with your frustration, learning DSP can be a long, difficult path and many problems are about understanding DSP (In general) as much as knowing the mechanics of SM itself.
2nvu ·
infuzion wrote: Well, since you're on a rantpage 2nvu, have you considered these facts:
1) We're volunteers. So perhaps even some help should be considered a gift? But you can never expect volunteers do exactly what you want them to do.
2) We might be busy doing our own thing. Sorry, life happens.
3) How much have you helped? Had any answers at all? So why aren't they in the WIKI? You have 100 posts now, I'm sure atleast 1 question has been answered.
4) One of the things that makes SM so difficult is that the documentation is so poor. This is not the users' fault; it needs to be addressed by Outsim. The Wiki should only fill in the a few minor potholes & provide a few extra off-ramps. As it is, most of the road is missing except a 2-lane dirt path with a few spots paved.
5) SM is a hardcore programmers' tool, not really the slap-together kit for those new to DSP & programming like is may portray itself to be. SynthEdit is more like that since it has more pre-made modules, & perhaps Reaktor.
(1) Volunteers always first in firing line? . 😉 (2) i understand many of you people are busy with your own projects. (3) i have helped a little bit, i made a Dual LFO that makes no noise at all, its in examples, that was my first discovery by way of using Demormals, no its not at wiki, i have never posted anything at wiki so far. (4) SM's documentation is simple, to say the least, bearly even a mension of MIDI , which is odd? since the triggering of any Synth requires Midi input /first port of call ????. (5) i like to think i have moved behond the point of a DSP/Mod-Slap togehter kit,even tho it may not be a massively noticable difference, perhaps only to myself. anyway thank you for your thoughts, i am glad you made the effort to reply, Jamie. 😀 O & yes , i did say it in my rant, 3 people have helped from SM's Forum.... & it is just a rant 😉
oddson ·
infuzion wrote: ...SM is a hardcore programmers' tool, not really the slap-together kit for those new to DSP & programming like is may portray itself to be. SynthEdit is more like that since it has more pre-made modules, & perhaps Reaktor.
I can't agree with this one... or at least there's no intrinsic reason why this should be. But the docs and stock modules could do with some improvement.
infuzion ·
oddson wrote:
infuzion wrote: ...SM is a hardcore programmers' tool, not really the slap-together kit for those new to DSP & programming like is may portray itself to be.
I can't agree with this one... or at least there's no intrinsic reason why this should be. But the docs and stock modules could do with some improvement.
I think I was recalling BONES' frustration of SM vs SE, where in SE he really could link a few modules together, add an extra twist or 2, make a nice skin, & be done with his VST. I can do that now, but only because I've been with SM for 5+ years. The learning curve is still too steep IMHO, even with your great tutorials oddson. Documentation is a 5-year old problem. I'm burned out on editing the WiKi myself, as it seems other are also. Really when SM hit 1.0 & new things are added to SM, they need to be well-documented, which is why we're having this issue today.
trogluddite wrote: When posting an osm that you want help with - please tidy it up first!! When there is no naming of ins/outs/modules... Even better is to just post a smaller schematic that has only the problem modules.
+1; this should be stickied. But how many times do we need to ask, "Where is the OSM?"
2nvu ·
trogluddite wrote: My own personal little rant on this subject...
When posting an osm that you want help with - please tidy it up first!! When there is no naming of ins/outs/modules, and the links cross over everything and run for miles off the edge of the screen, it is just too big of a job to decipher the schematic to see what is wrong. If the schematic is neat, then help can be given far more easily - and often you will find many of the bugs yourself as you do the tidying.
Even better is to just post a smaller schematic that has only the problem modules.
Also, it is annoying when people ask for help with basic DSP issues, then say 'I can't post my .osm because it is the world's-best-synth-ever that I want to keep secret' - If your synth was really that good, you wouldn't be asking for help. Personally I tend to avoid anything that comes with unrealistic hyperbole attached!
P.S. @2nvu. These are just intended as general points for all readers, not as criticism of you personally. I do sympathise with your frustration, learning DSP can be a long, difficult path and many problems are about understanding DSP (In general) as much as knowing the mechanics of SM itself.
Ok Noted Mr Trog & thanks for your pointers. 🙂
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