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tor ·
http://www.propellerheads.se/
Seems like they are going to reveal some exiting news in the upcoming days. Maybe Reason 5 is coming now. Would be cool if they implemented VST support. I think that it would be great. I played around with Reason a lot in the earlier days. A really funny and inspirational work environment. But the lack of VST support made me stay with Cubase.
infuzion ·
I'm not sure why lack of VST support is such a barrier; ReWire + Live works fine. However, I do wish ReWire was 2-way, so Reason could be used as an effects rack. I never upgraded to Reason4; Thor didn't seem compelling enough when one has SM & so many free VSTs.
tor ·
Truly 2-way rewire would rock and it would give more freedom as with VST support. 😈
infuzion ·
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tor ·
I used to be a Reason fan and I really like the look of Record but I never tried it. Looking forward to see if they have come up with some ground breaking news in this new releases. In four days we know 😉
nix ·
infuzion wrote: so Reason could be used as an effects rack
If you are willing to route audio you can do this in Record. I mean to try playing the vocoder with midi guitar and straight electric soon. Might sound cool and perform better than a hex pickup alone for strumming. I mean to pick up Record to use Reason as effects rack. The Scream is one of the nicer distorsions I've found, and there are lots of routing possibilities sure. If you have Reason the Record demo lets you play the fx with streaming audio 8D
AngularMomentum ·
Tried the demo of record, but the interface, to me, is just one big mess, did not like it at all. Always looking out for Reason 5 though, it surely is time for an upgrade! 🙂
AngularMomentum ·
Oh, just checked...it is, it is!!! 😀
infuzion ·
The things I like about Reason the best is that it is flexable, good user community, & ROCK SOLID STABLE. I'm not so sure about SM with being stable, & Max4Live has been a good head-ache maker, so I'm thinking Live + Reason & a small small handful of VSTs will be all I will ever use.
MichaelBenjamin ·
hey infuzion, how is max4life or max in general compared to sm? can you edit/add code inside the box or do you need external c++ to render modules and add stuff? how is it a headache?
infuzion ·
MichaelBenjamin wrote: hey infuzion, how is max4life or max in general compared to sm? can you edit/add code inside the box or do you need external c++ to render modules and add stuff? how is it a headache?
Max4Live has full editing of Max files inside Ableton Live, along with deeper access to Live's internals. I'm not sure if you can use their SDK for M4L. The issue is that M4L & Live together is very crash, lag, & lock-up happy; they pushed it out too early for a commercial product that cost $300. The leader of Denver Ableton User Group said almost everyone quit using M4L on stage. Normally Ableton would have a new Live version out by now, but they're still trying to get 8.1 & M4L to work.
tor ·
No revolutionary news from Propellerheads. They have just made their own implementations from others products already on the market. But as always they do it in a sexy way. 😉
mwvdlee ·
I loved playing around with Rebirth (which at one point was freely downloadable from their site; it may still be) but Reason just went overboard for me. Rebirth was a remake of 303, 808 and, at a later point, 909, with matching interfaces. Reason started inventing their own modules, which is fine, and giving everything restrictive hardware-like interfaces, which isn't fine.
oddson ·
mwvdlee wrote: Reason started inventing their own modules, which is fine, and giving everything restrictive hardware-like interfaces, which isn't fine.
I don't find their interfaces to be all that restrictive. You can patch together signals from different 'boxes', some of their synths have extensive modulation capabilities, you can use a sample-based player as a generator but put it through the filter sections on Maelstrom. It's not perfect but it's actually quite flexible and loads of fun.
I got an M-Adapted version with my sound card in 2005 and enjoyed playing with it but dismissed it as a toy. I don't look at it that way anymore.
infuzion ·
oddson wrote: I got an M-Adapted version with my sound card in 2005 and enjoyed playing with it but dismissed it as a toy. I don't look at it that way anymore.
You might be able to upgrade to Reason 4 + Record now, & Reason 5 when it arrives for only
I do wish the module interacting was more like Buzz; that's what attracted me to SM. But it does work very solidly.
oddson ·
infuzion wrote: ...You might be able to upgrade to Reason 4 + Record now, & Reason 5 when it arrives for only
Oh... I meant that's how I got started. I own Reason 4 and Record. infuzion wrote: I do wish the module interacting was more like Buzz; that's what attracted me to SM. But it does work very solidly.
I'm not familiar with Buzz (looks like a SythMaker/SynthEdit/Max type product).
The hardware metaphor does get in the way sometimes and I don't much care for the way performance (MIDI) data is handled but on the whole it's quite intuitive and flexible.
infuzion ·
oddson wrote: I'm not familiar with Buzz (looks like a SythMaker/SynthEdit/Max type product).
It literally is the grandfather of the VST concept; the very first "plug-in" DAW (if you can call a tracker a DAW). "Generators" = VSTi, "Effects" = VST. You connect them together using lines like in Usine & double-click to open the machines, where as in Reason you always have the machines open & have to go into another mode to connect (flip the rack). Buzz even had parameter automation! (Automation via the tracker system, so not such a great resolution).
It is unlike SM/SE/Max & more like Reason; you can only link pre-made synths & effects. Unlike Reason, Buzz has a C SDK to make your own machines/Generators/Effects, so there are about 60 insturments & 120 effects. A few of the Buzz 3rd party devs moved on to work with SmartEletronix or other music software companies, &/or posted code on musicdsp.org, so chances are you've been touched by a Buzz-er.
The main Buzz code went untouched for about 8 years after a HD crash, but he restarted new commits: http://twitter.com/buzz_builds http://www.buzzmachines.com/
infuzion ·
If you're thinking about upgrading from Reason3.0 to 4 or buying Reason4/Record1.0 now for a free 5, do it soon.
Shalako ·
Am I impressed with Reason 5, No, not really. The new drum machine looks ok, and the fact that you can now sample live is quite cool, but the rest of it does not appeal to me. So the question is do I think the new Drun Machine is enough to pay the cost of an upgrade... well I guess I'll wait for the demo. By the way I am a die hard Reason fan, my all time favorite synth is none other than Subtractor.
infuzion ·
Shalako wrote: Am I impressed with Reason 5, No, not really. The new drum machine looks ok, and the fact that you can now sample live is quite cool, but the rest of it does not appeal to me.
The pitch-shifter alone is worth the upgrade, since Auto-Tune/Melodine is about that cost. But I think if you have Record1.0 you get that 1.5 upgrade free.
I skipped the Reason4.0 upgrade myself, since SM > Thor, & I had SM full license already. But Thor + Neptune + Kong + live sampling + Record's mixer + editing improvements is well worth
Acrobat ·
infuzion wrote: oddson wrote: I got an M-Adapted version with my sound card in 2005 and enjoyed playing with it but dismissed it as a toy. I don't look at it that way anymore.
You might be able to upgrade to Reason 4 + Record now, & Reason 5 when it arrives for only
I do wish the module interacting was more like Buzz; that's what attracted me to SM. But it does work very solidly.
Actually, there IS more interacting than audio. A secondary patching system in Reason is CV and gate emulation, since the 2.0 version you can drive many modules with the same impulses, coming from a mini-virtual sequencer instead of the main, graphic sequencer. Of course you can't manage math operations with those virtual voltages and impulses apart from a simple "inversion".
Nu Audio Science ·
infuzion wrote: It literally is the grandfather of the VST concept; the very first "plug-in" DAW (if you can call a tracker a DAW). "Generators" = VSTi, "Effects" = VST.
Cubase VST arrived in mid 1996 and Jeskola Buzz arrived in late 1997 So i think it is safe to say that Cubase is the grandfather of the VST concept (Hardly surprising)
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infuzion ·
Acrobat wrote: infuzion wrote: I do wish the module interacting was more like Buzz; that's what attracted me to SM. But it does work very solidly.
Actually, there IS more interacting than audio. A secondary patching system in Reason is CV and gate emulation, since the 2.0 version you can drive many modules with the same impulses...
No, I meant on a GUI-level, such as Buzz's straight-lines-connecting-small-squares setup, rather than the semi-real-life simulation of rack-mounted gear with many loose cables connecting them all.
Nu Audio Science wrote: Cubase VST arrived in mid 1996 and Jeskola Buzz arrived in late 1997
Thanks for the correction! But I'm sure I read somewhere that Buzz was the first to use the term "plug-in" for some reason....
trogluddite ·
infuzion wrote: I read somewhere that Buzz was the first to use the term "plug-in" for some reason....
The generic term 'plug-in' was first used for software way back in the 80's for some Mac based DTP and graphics software add-ons - of course CPU power wasn't anywhere near quick enough for real-time applications in them days, you just had to plug your guitar pedals into the back of your cassette four-track and hope for the best! 😉
Nu Audio Science ·
In terms of audio "Plug ins" per se the first app to use realtime plugin intergration as far as i remember was a MIDI sequencer called Bars n Pipes on the Amiga This allowed you to plug various add on into the MIDI control chain in various (Uber clever and still unsurpassed) ways
Beyond that i think the earliest incarnations i can think of off hand in terms of audio realtime "Plug ins" would have been the very early Winamp plugins and DX and so on
Buzz machines are a bit of a puzzler It is kind of accepted that you can not sell Buzz machines but the developer tries to sell the rights to support Buzz machines in your app Problem is that when one particular commercial developer paid for the rights to support Buzz machines there was a huge community backlash and threats of machine removals by a lot of developers So it would only be acceptable to have Buzz machine support on free software but you have to pay to do so So no matter how good or forward thinking the standard was it was a dead duck from day one 🙁
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infuzion ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: In terms of audio "Plug ins" per se the first app to use realtime plugin intergration as far as i remember was a MIDI sequencer called Bars n Pipes on the Amiga
It is kind of accepted that you can not sell Buzz machines but the developer tries to sell the rights to support Buzz machines in your app Problem is that when one particular commercial developer paid for the rights to support Buzz machines there was a huge community backlash and threats of machine removals by a lot of developers
Oh, yea I owned Bars & Pipes! I think Blue Ribbon Soundworks got borged by Microsoft to have them make Direct Sound & MIDI for Windows?
That's weird; a similar "free but pay for a license to use in your commercial project" structure is used by many open source projects now. Well, the new Buzz08 is chugging along with new additions every month.
Buzz is why I tried out SM by the way. Buzz crashed & was too flaky on my system, so I wanted to find something more stable. I think Reason will scratch that itch better it seems.
Nu Audio Science ·
You might want to try Renoise Infuzion Doesn't have the modular section but has just introduced very powerful scripting
I think MS bought Bars n Pipes (paid way too much too) with the intention of doing something with it and within months had open sourced it and set it free (See MS ain't all bad) Bars n Pipes is still updated now regularly for the Amiga hahaha
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infuzion ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: You might want to try Renoise Infuzion Doesn't have the modular section but has just introduced very powerful scripting
I think MS bought Bars n Pipes (paid way too much too) with the intention of doing something with it and within months had open sourced it and set it free (See MS ain't all bad)
Thanks for the Renoise tip, LUA is in beta, & I'm in an anti-beta mood right now, feeling a bit burned actually. I've had a Reason5 beta key for 3 weeks & still haven't downloaded it, & I know Reason's betas are more stable than some major hosts' release versions!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Ribbon_Soundworks The 'Blue Ribbon Soundworks' is a digital audio editor company in the United States. It was acquired by Microsoft on October 16, 1995, and merged its technology with DirectSound.[1]
Nu Audio Science ·
Oh ignore Beta when it comes to Renoise dude There is a reason it is known as the most stable app out at the minute
I have tried and tried for years and i have never been able to get it to crash on me ever (Well one time but it didn't really count because i had hacked XP down to about 40 meg or something hahahahaha)
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2nvu ·
AngularMomentum wrote: Tried the demo of record, but the interface, to me, is just one big mess, did not like it at all. Always looking out for Reason 5 though, it surely is time for an upgrade! 🙂
Yeh i love Reason, But these days i only use it as a Plugin, & i bought Record , what a FARSE,,, that Mixing Console should of been droped in an Update of REASON, even before 5 ? & those new synths in Record Utter Rubish, Pod's that have a Brickle sound,,, the distortion that comes from the Git pod sounds like Broken glass ,,,, yukkkk , i want my money back,,,, 😀
Jay ·
Well i am testing Reason 5 atm and i have to say i am not very impressed tbh, Yes it is still the great prog it has always been (I've used it since v1) its the little amount of stuff that has been added or changed that i find fairy unimpressive.
imho this should have been an update and not a new version! it is just as bad as when, after several years of the reason community begging for audio in they bring out Record as a separate package forcing the dedicated users to either buy and move to another sequencer or get Record (which is toy town bollocks!) just do do a nowadays basic function.
the Octorex thing is quite handy if it bothers you having several rex player on screen, the drum machine is naff! seen better on these forums from some of you guys! The gui is a slight improvement from the last disaster
I won't be upgrading my multi license for the studio nor will i be upgrading my personal version!
I recon Malc and co put more effort into our free updates than the props have done here - We should remember that the next time we all start whining about new features or updates in general (me included!)
Best regards
infuzion ·
Jay wrote: Well i am testing Reason 5 atm and i have to say i am not very impressed tbh, Yes it is still the great prog it has always been (I've used it since v1) its the little amount of stuff that has been added or changed that i find fairy unimpressive.
imho this should have been an update and not a new version! it is just as bad as when, after several years of the reason community begging for audio in they bring out Record as a separate package forcing the dedicated users to either buy and move to another sequencer or get Record (which is toy town bollocks!) just do do a nowadays basic function.
I felt the same way of upgrading Reason v3 to v4; Thor is great, but not worth the cost/time compared to what I thought SM could do to me at the time. But for me or anyone one else to buy Record 1.0 for
Comparing Reason to SM is unfair, since: 1) SM has 0.4 of a dev split between running 3-5 other SM-related tasks, Propellerheads is has a full team. 2) Reason is multi-platform, SM will be stuck forever on PC-only it seems. 3) SM still crashes occasionally, host compatibility issues, has memory leaks/overwrites. Reason is always solid. 4) Reason you pay a few extra dollars for no-drama upgrades, SM you pay in time for lots of beta-testing & bug reporting (atleast I & a dozen other have). 5) Many of the SM's "upgrades" were more like bug fixes/workarounds or adding to SM what should have been there in the first place. FlowStone is the only real big upgrade, & that is a payed upgrade (if you're making large OSMs etc). There may have been a few bonus features added to SM, but Reason2.5 was a decent free upgrade and the pitch-correcter for Record owners worth the Record price by itself.
2nvu ·
infuzion wrote: Jay wrote: Well i am testing Reason 5 atm and i have to say i am not very impressed tbh, Yes it is still the great prog it has always been (I've used it since v1) its the little amount of stuff that has been added or changed that i find fairy unimpressive.
imho this should have been an update and not a new version! it is just as bad as when, after several years of the reason community begging for audio in they bring out Record as a separate package forcing the dedicated users to either buy and move to another sequencer or get Record (which is toy town bollocks!) just do do a nowadays basic function.
I felt the same way of upgrading Reason v3 to v4; Thor is great, but not worth the cost/time compared to what I thought SM could do to me at the time. But for me or anyone one else to buy Record 1.0 for
Comparing Reason to SM is unfair, since: 1) SM has 0.4 of a dev split between running 3-5 other SM-related tasks, Propellerheads is has a full team. 2) Reason is multi-platform, SM will be stuck forever on PC-only it seems. 3) SM still crashes occasionally, host compatibility issues, has memory leaks/overwrites. Reason is always solid. 4) Reason you pay a few extra dollars for no-drama upgrades, SM you pay in time for lots of beta-testing & bug reporting (atleast I & a dozen other have). 5) Many of the SM's "upgrades" were more like bug fixes/workarounds or adding to SM what should have been there in the first place. FlowStone is the only real big upgrade, & that is a payed upgrade (if you're making large OSMs etc). There may have been a few bonus features added to SM, but Reason2.5 was a decent free upgrade and the pitch-correcter for Record owners worth the Record price by itself.
Wow i guess thats us told then ,,, lol,,, your not wrong actualy, i have always loved Reason for that very "reason" of never crashing, infact i really cant remember the last time it did, as it happens i only use it as a plugin/Rewire these days, Thor & Malmstrom, o yeh & Rex for stealing quick D&B kits,,, lol ,,, after all , No one could "seriously" concider Mastering a Full Track from Reason , with its weird sounding, not quite 16bit , great for singular work , not Mass ? of course thats only in my opinion 😀 Ps,,, Record should of been Reason 4.5.0 Mixingdesk+Pitch correction,O yeh & thoses """embeded""" tunes that weigh in at almost 500 Megs, WTF,,, was that stunt...lol
oddson ·
2nvu wrote: ...No one could "seriously" consider Mastering a Full Track from Reason , with its weird sounding, not quite 16bit...
I'm often hearing some fairly dismissive comments about Reason/Record but I'm not sure what evidence the people making these accusations are using.
OK so it's not 24 bit... what makes you say 'weird sounding' and 'not quite 16 bit'?
It seems no matter what the app someone thinks it's crap... that's fair enough but to suggest 'no one' could use it seems a bit too harsh.
2nvu ·
oddson wrote: 2nvu wrote: ...No one could "seriously" consider Mastering a Full Track from Reason , with its weird sounding, not quite 16bit...
I'm often hearing some fairly dismissive comments about Reason/Record but I'm not sure what evidence the people making these accusations are using.
OK so it's not 24 bit... what makes you say 'weird sounding' and 'not quite 16 bit'?
It seems no matter what the app someone thinks it's crap... that's fair enough but to suggest 'no one' could use it seems a bit too harsh.
Here's the full qoute" > No one could "seriously" concider Mastering a {{{{Full Track}}}} from Reason , with its weird sounding, not quite 16bit , great for singular work , not Mass ? Please post me a link to some Tracks that you are sure where entirley Masterd & bounced out of Reason, dont get me wrong i have been with propellaheads since they poped up.& i love Reason4, but for Mastering , yukkk ,it Sucks bigtime , & the weird 16 bit thing, it does not sound Phatt & Warm,no matter how much Eq'ing or comp you throw @ a mix,,,, 😮
oddson ·
My argument isn't whether anyone does master with Reason (from what little I understand specialty mastering applications are still favoured by commercial studios) it's your claim that "no one" could serious consider mastering with it and that there is something intrinsically weird and sub-par about the 16 bit sound the application delivers.
Frankly I'm not sure that the mastering process is still important in the all digital age except that it's become 'common practice.'
Mastering originally was about transferring to LP in a way that didn't compromise the physical limitations of the media. I think now it's mostly about compressing and EQ'ing the recorded results into a form that meets the expectations of the public... but that's an aside... what I'm really after is what evidence there is that there is something intrinsically inferior about Reason/Record other than it's 16 bit limit.
oddson ·
p.s. I'm not saying there isn't something... i'd just like to know what it is and what evidence there is for it.
I've been using Record for my own music lately and with my middle-aged hearing I couldn't say more than 'it sounds OK to me'!
2nvu ·
oddson wrote: p.s. I'm not saying there isn't something... i'd just like to know what it is and what evidence there is for it.
I've been using Record for my own music lately and with my middle-aged hearing I couldn't say more than 'it sounds OK to me'!
Go to a Pro studio , that uses Reason, My guess is, if they where going to Bounce anything out of Reason, say a nice little intro or somthing, using some of the more "respectable" sides to Reason ,eg /Thor/Malm/ or any of the sampler's then they will "probably" reach for a host/ProTools/Nuendo/Cubase/Abletonlive > / > Rewire. & if they did,nt follow that simple protocol for acheiving a far better sound quality, i would not want them Mastering my stuff? Record should in my opinion have been Reason 4.5.0,,, with out thoses CRAP,,new Synths they threw in,,,GM sounding RuBBish,,,& dont get me started on them Guitar Pods either,,, Yukkkk ,,,, Distortion that sounds like Broken Glass 😉
Jay ·
maybe i was a bit hard on them lol, actually i never knew about the pitch correction in record 🙂 will have to look at it, i currently use Melodyne and sometimes but rarely now, i use an old hardware Autotune box that came from Antares before the Autotune software. You are perfectly right on the subject of stability of Props stuff, i can't think of having any crashes ever using Reason,Recycle or Rebirth except using rewire within Cubase and that was likely not to be a Props problem giving their awesome track record!
I will keep testing though as things have a tendency to grow on me,But i still don't see the same greatness we have become used to seeing from the Props
Best regards
Nu Audio Science ·
oddson wrote: (from what little I understand specialty mastering applications are still favoured by commercial studios)
Just out of interest i know of at least three of the top mastering houses in the world now use Reaper for mastering But other than that the ones i have used in the past up until now have pretty much used the high end Sony sonic systems
I wouldn't like to comment on Reason sounding good or not because i can actually point to a whole bunch of songs made entirely in Reason that i would happily play in a DJ set However for myself i found it very limiting and Record even more so, in fact i would go as far as saying the only thing i found of remote interest to me was the pitching algo Beyond that it all seemed a little insular and up its own a*s, i got a free copy to review and when props read my review they wanted so much changed that it was handed to another reviewer and after he said pretty much the same things the review was never published
I wouldn't personally touch it with a bargepole and the bloated nature of Record scared me away faster than anything else The old classic of "It's so stable because it doesn't run VST plugins" is a total bunch of crap nowadays really Last time Reaper crashed on me was so long ago i think it was pre v1 and i am pretty sure plenty of hosts can now claim to be the same 😉
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infuzion ·
Jay wrote: I will keep testing though as things have a tendency to grow on me,But i still don't see the same greatness we have become used to seeing from the Props
If you never use Kong, then I'd say the rest of Reason5.0 is not worth it either. But if you're sitting on Reason 3.0 like I was then buying Record1.0 now is GO GO GO since all you're getting is so worth
oddson: Most tips I see about mastering is to do it in 24bit for the extra dynamics headroom.
Nu Audio Science wrote: However for myself i found it very limiting and Record even more so, in fact i would go as far as saying the only thing i found of remote interest to me was the pitching algo Beyond that it all seemed a little insular and up its own a*s, i got a free copy to review and when props read my review they wanted so much changed that it was handed to another reviewer and after he said pretty much the same things the review was never published ...The old classic of "It's so stable because it doesn't run VST plugins" is a total bunch of crap nowadays really Last time Reaper crashed on me was so long ago i think it was pre v1 and i am pretty sure plenty of hosts can now claim to be the same 😉
I think Reason/Record is somewhat limited since they seem to target people who think in a certain way, back in the old hardware days. Sometimes limits can open door to ingenuity. I'm not huge on the GUI overall, but I can live with it. Sometimes I do wish I went with FL Studio instead, but I do prefer Reason's "sheen" sound.
That is wack that your review didn't get published. I don't weigh in on magazine & online reviews much anyway; too many negative will prevent them from getting free product. I would like to see your review on Reason5/Record1.5 sometime though!
Wow, I didn't know Reaper was so stable! I'm wondering if they're taking Protools' crowd yet? Honestly, I'd like to see the VST standard done away with & ReWire made into 2-way communication. Could solve alot of VST issues on both sides.
Acrobat ·
infuzion wrote: Acrobat wrote: infuzion wrote: I do wish the module interacting was more like Buzz; that's what attracted me to SM. But it does work very solidly.
Actually, there IS more interacting than audio. A secondary patching system in Reason is CV and gate emulation, since the 2.0 version you can drive many modules with the same impulses...
No, I meant on a GUI-level, such as Buzz's straight-lines-connecting-small-squares setup, rather than the semi-real-life simulation of rack-mounted gear with many loose cables connecting them all.
You'll definitely never see something like that on Reason. You said by yourself, "semi-real-life" is their philosophy from the very start, in the same track as their "Rebirth" first product. Quite cool things but it's like drawing a sculpture on a piece of paper, it will never give you 3D! One thing other software houses should imitate is the perfect stability of the whole stuff. 🙂
2nvu ·
infuzion wrote: Jay wrote: I will keep testing though as things have a tendency to grow on me,But i still don't see the same greatness we have become used to seeing from the Props
If you never use Kong, then I'd say the rest of Reason5.0 is not worth it either. But if you're sitting on Reason 3.0 like I was then buying Record1.0 now is GO GO GO since all you're getting is so worth
oddson: Most tips I see about mastering is to do it in 24bit for the extra dynamics headroom.
Nu Audio Science wrote: However for myself i found it very limiting and Record even more so, in fact i would go as far as saying the only thing i found of remote interest to me was the pitching algo Beyond that it all seemed a little insular and up its own a*s, i got a free copy to review and when props read my review they wanted so much changed that it was handed to another reviewer and after he said pretty much the same things the review was never published ...The old classic of "It's so stable because it doesn't run VST plugins" is a total bunch of crap nowadays really Last time Reaper crashed on me was so long ago i think it was pre v1 and i am pretty sure plenty of hosts can now claim to be the same 😉
I think Reason/Record is somewhat limited since they seem to target people who think in a certain way, back in the old hardware days. Sometimes limits can open door to ingenuity. I'm not huge on the GUI overall, but I can live with it. Sometimes I do wish I went with FL Studio instead, but I do prefer Reason's "sheen" sound.
That is wack that your review didn't get published. I don't weigh in on magazine & online reviews much anyway; too many negative will prevent them from getting free product. I would like to see your review on Reason5/Record1.5 sometime though!
Wow, I didn't know Reaper was so stable! I'm wondering if they're taking Protools' crowd yet? Honestly, I'd like to see the VST standard done away with & ReWire made into 2-way communication. Could solve alot of VST issues on both sides.
but I do prefer Reason's "sheen" sound 15&half bit lol 😉
2nvu ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: oddson wrote: (from what little I understand specialty mastering applications are still favoured by commercial studios)
Just out of interest i know of at least three of the top mastering houses in the world now use Reaper for mastering But other than that the ones i have used in the past up until now have pretty much used the high end Sony sonic systems
I wouldn't like to comment on Reason sounding good or not because i can actually point to a whole bunch of songs made entirely in Reason that i would happily play in a DJ set However for myself i found it very limiting and Record even more so, in fact i would go as far as saying the only thing i found of remote interest to me was the pitching algo Beyond that it all seemed a little insular and up its own a*s, i got a free copy to review and when props read my review they wanted so much changed that it was handed to another reviewer and after he said pretty much the same things the review was never published
I wouldn't personally touch it with a bargepole and the bloated nature of Record scared me away faster than anything else The old classic of "It's so stable because it doesn't run VST plugins" is a total bunch of crap nowadays really Last time Reaper crashed on me was so long ago i think it was pre v1 and i am pretty sure plenty of hosts can now claim to be the same 😉
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Yeh, i got a soft spot for Reaper,,, it sort of reminds me of early Logic , a program i refuse to take of my system even tho i hardly ever use it , God dam Apple_eddzz 😠 😠 😠 😠 Mac Snobbery ? lol
Acrobat ·
Some news: it seems the Propellerhead guys are out with a Reason satellite software for recording audio called "Record" aside the usual virtual instruments. Well, at last, vocal tracks can be done! I just wonder how a decent sync will be performed ... oh well that's a DAWs issue anyway... 😉
infuzion ·
Acrobat wrote: Some news: it seems the Propellerhead guys are out with a Reason satellite software for recording audio called "Record" aside the usual virtual instruments. Well, at last, vocal tracks can be done! I just wonder how a decent sync will be performed ... oh well that's a DAWs issue anyway... 😉
I think that's been out urm, 2-3 years now? Record 1.5 does come with a great AutoTune plug though.
Acrobat ·
infuzion wrote: Acrobat wrote: Some news: it seems the Propellerhead guys are out with a Reason satellite software for recording audio called "Record" aside the usual virtual instruments. Well, at last, vocal tracks can be done! I just wonder how a decent sync will be performed ... oh well that's a DAWs issue anyway... 😉
I think that's been out urm, 2-3 years now? Record 1.5 does come with a great AutoTune plug though.
Really? Oh yeah well they are advertising so I got it just by now... Yeah an autotuner, I used autotuning for some records in 2004-5, then I realised it mostly damage some of the best nuances of my vocals, so I took it off and return to natural recordings... even if they're not so PERFECT but who wants perfection afterall... 😀
drumma ·
Well, as a real active user of Reason since Reason 1.0, i can honestly say that Propellerheads really RUINED it.They just showed us all how to ruin a great program.. totally.. They slack cause they sell anyways.Regoove tool is totally useless.Like all old reason users say i say it here again, the old interface was way better & handy, controlling automations was much way better and handy too..what they tried to do with vectors,it just didnt work.Propellerheads Team have the advantage of taking serious opinions and advices about the program in propllerheads.se reasonstation.net combinatorhq.com and many more webpages just belongs to reason users.But they just dont listen to them, they only listen some lazy and clueless rnb producers who doesnt have any clue about production, mastering etc.After a looong force in all reason forums we could provide Props Team make reason fullscreen (they ruined it aswell it's real pain to use that ability )and it took freakin 3 years...Since Reason 1.0 people are crying for VST input but Props team says this will never happen.I dont really know why they insist on not making Reason better since noones sharing good stuff in reasonstation like old days anymore and for godsake it's not midi tool you are making a music program why are you insisting on keeping it closed for anything... For example; Since reason 1.0 they could let audio input in reason at 5th release... About Reason 5 i dont really know what did they add to it (expect audio in)Dr Octo Rex = 4 Dr Rex, they just enhanced Dr Rex thats all.Kong is a sample shape based graintable drum synth, it's sweet but it's using the same mechanics of Malström.So what did they really do for 5th relese expect using same tecniques? NOTHING!
Sorry for my bad English. 😊
Cheers. E.
Acrobat ·
drumma wrote: Sorry for my bad English. 😊
no I think we got it, I had a go on V4, I must say that finally they made a complete synthesizer (Thor) but unfortunately it does not sound very good. The arpeggiator is ridiculous, looks like it's been done in a hurry and it's totally useless. 🙁 Not really a step forward, the only good thing in recent versions of the software is SOLO buttons! It's heavier too, if I were still using it, I'd stay at V 2.5! 😉
tor ·
Way cool! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIsBdvLaCEY
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aliasant ·
tor wrote: Way cool! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIsBdvLaCEY
😈
Last 2 minutes gave me some hope.
What if SM could export for this ? He says that any VST dsp code can be used.
That would be a dawnbreaker for SM.
I know it will probably never happen but if it did it would probably work very well. Thousands of Reason users would be able to create plugins for Reason that works platform independent.
Keep on dreaming ... I will 😉
infuzion ·
tor wrote: Way cool! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIsBdvLaCEY
Dang you Tor, making me dig up my Propellerhead's USB key!!
tor ·
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Suddely I feel like expanding my programming skills. Really curious about that SDK.
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