where the market goes?

rl · 23 Mar 2010

hehe, it has got SYNTH EDIT (left phone, 1st column, 3rd line). 😉

infuzion · 23 Mar 2010

rl wrote: hehe, it has got SYNTH EDIT (left phone, 1st column, 3rd line). 😉

lawsuit coming?

I was thinking a month ago; my little PDA cellphone has more CPU power & about the same resolution as my Amiga did. No Bars & Pipes though :/

Jay · 23 Mar 2010

Yep there are many of these apps out now and some sound no different to the synths and samplers we have on our pc's here are some add-on hardware items for mobile phone musings from Yamaha http://www.tokyomango.com/tokyo_mango/2 ... hones.html

Google's android OS and capable phones have greater scope for more sophisticated music software and no doubt we will see a lot more of this kind of thing - Gimmick atm but then i remember ppl saying that vst instruments and effects were a gimmick soon to pass!

Compile to smart phone malc?

Best Regards

infuzion · 24 Mar 2010

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2010/ ... ontroller/ http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/03/2 ... ad-iphone/

It can still be a bit pricey vs a typical knob/slider controller, & I prefer something more tactile that won't crash (unless knocked over), but instantly switching between scenes & layouts is still sweet for under $800 or so. I'd prefer a cheaper multi-touch Win7 convertable netbook with a real keyboard (for Live triggering & using as a real computer).

trogluddite · 24 Mar 2010

infuzion wrote: I prefer something more tactile

Yes, tactile is the operative word here. Music is about sound, kind of 'ear to hand' co-ordination - I look at the fretboard/snare drum/fader etc. as little as possible when playing music; fingers and ears are my main tools- so the idea of having to glue my eyes to a (very tiny) screen just to 'feel' where the controls are leaves me a bit cold. The best mixing tip I was ever told... get a nice knobby/slidery controller, then turn off the PC screen and just listen. You soon realise how distracting watching the 'music' scroll past your eyes can be.

Acrobat · 25 Mar 2010

trogluddite wrote: You soon realise how distracting watching the 'music' scroll past your eyes can be.

I felt the same when last year I built a set-up based on a hardware sequencer from the nineties. I was able to produce and arrange much better! 🙂

Dj-Grobe · 25 Mar 2010

I prefer something can be 100% customizable and or can be changed by software at any time, durable and flexible. Fisical knobs, sliders etc etc not provide that...............

I have to leave SM........... 😊 I really stuck due lot of limitations like no multitouch, no transparent fetaure for stand alone exe, no MIDI clock IN OUT, no SDK, no accurate timer etc etc I no blame to Malc or Jorge, i continue thinking SM is absolutly great tool........ but i decide is time to move. I really apreciate the help of the comunity in all this years, specially help from Malc, Odsson, Angular, Acrobat, Infuzion, Sunsynth, and for all the comunity. (sorry if i forgot some name)

Is very SAD have to stop develope, using SM, but i not have more choices after wait wait and wait for features never be a reality under SM. I repeat this no is a complaint is just my reality.

Goodbye and good luck to everybody!

trogluddite · 25 Mar 2010

Dj-Grobe wrote: Is very SAD have to stop develope using SM

Sad to see you go, but every workman must have the tools that suit him best - it would be a boring world if we all wanted the same things.

Good luck, do come back some time to tell us about the exciting things you get up to...

infuzion · 26 Mar 2010

Dj-Grobe wrote: [b]I have to leave SM........... 😊

I'm seriously considering the same thing; SM simply crashes too much for me to take it seriously. This affects my viewpoint on SM-made VSTs also; I'm too afraid that they'll crash I don't want to ever use any. Unfortunately there are several VSTs that are excellent otherwise.

I guess I need to work on my website/Facebook/IMDB page some now.

sunsynth · 26 Mar 2010

Well - sad to see u leave this forum and SM DJGrobe

stop by from time 2 time OK!?

cheers, Walter

AngularMomentum · 27 Mar 2010

Sad to see you leave man... 🙁

Dj-Grobe · 2 Apr 2010

I NOT PLAIN LEAVE THE FORUM ABSOLUTLY FOREVER, : ) I JUST MOVED TO C#, I WANT STAY PREPARED AND READY ASAP, FOR THE STORM OF TABLET PCS COME SOON TO THE MARKET

I NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN OSX AND AIPD, HIGH NUMBERS OF CODERS PROGRAMING NOW FOR IPAD,.............. I JUST FOCUSED NOW ON WINDOWS AND , WINDOWS PHONE 7. WORKING ON MY NEW TABLET TM2 FROM HP ! IN THINGS LIKE THIS TOOL SHOED IN THE PICTURE, BUT FOR THE PC WORLD ! IF SM, JUST BE POLISHED A LITTLE, CAN BE PERFECT TOOL FOR CREATE SOFTWARE FOR WINDOWS TABLETS WITH MULTITOUCH SUPPORT: ) REMEMBER TSI EVERYBODY SEE SOON HOW THE MARKET BE SATURATED BY TABPETS PCS : )

IN SOME FREE TIMES I BACK HERE TO TAKE A LOOK ON THE FORUM, I NOT LEAVE THE FORUM FOREVER, JUST PUT NOW MORE TIME IN C#

BEST REGARDS !

CHECK THE PICTURE IN FULL SCREEN HERE: http://saitarasoftware.com/promosmall.png

infuzion · 2 Apr 2010

Dj-Grobe wrote: I JUST MOVED TO C#, I WANT STAY PREPARED AND READY ASAP, FOR THE STORM OF TABLET PCS COME SOON TO THE MARKET

How goes the learning? Made anything 1/3 useful yet?

AngularMomentum · 2 Apr 2010

Good to hear you are not leaving! 🙂 And that looks awesome!

trogluddite · 30 Apr 2010

Dj-Grobe wrote: NO C++ I decide code all using C# )

He He, my tired brain mixing up all the little symbols - must be why my ASM primitives are always crashing! I remember when computer languages had sensible names (BASIC,PASCAL,FORTRAN); C+#&£! looks like programmers are always cursing in their emails 😉 'C++' makes me think of Orwell's 1984 - but I guess it isn't 'doubleplusgood' for doing plugins.

MegaHurtz · 30 Apr 2010

I beleive thats for c sharp.

Acrobat · 6 May 2010

trogluddite wrote: 'C++' makes me think of Orwell's 1984 -

Oh well me a "dog", right now... you a horse a pig or what? 😉

Dj-Grobe · 7 Jun 2010

Somebody now continue thinking im wrong about what i sugest, predicted and requested from long time ago?

If yes check this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeVx5PQERKE

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2010/ ... ad-coming/

Or just check createdigitalmusic.com blog, check last 3 months news................. lol And no is a 12.1 shiny scren is more little is a 10inch shiny.............

Is amazing windows world loose more of 1 year of adventage on the multitouch market, windows 7 is accesible for everybody from more of 1 year ago, and the first multitouch afordable device for windows reach the market arround a little more of 2 complete years ago.....the older HP tx2z.

Amazing, anyway no is too late for anybody, included SM 🙂 or any developer, but now Apple have all adventage, millions of persons already buyed ipad.......... Anyway i think no is too late for windows world : ) im are very positive about that.

And stay tuned, this is just the begining.......... android start playing on to the audio scene from the next version 2.2 (fixes on kernel make android suitable for realtime auiod appz), and in the next 2 or 3 months new windows 7 mobile reach the market ! Stay tuned and ready !

Best regards!

MichaelBenjamin · 7 Jun 2010

the main problem with all this touchyness in multitude on glass surfaces is that our fingers are quite low resolution sausages which are based on tactile feedback. with these new monitors any feedback goes out the window and you have to adapt every interface for sausages so i would say its more of a compromise that can bring kind of convenience in certain situations, but its not anywhere near a controlling revolution. i would rather see some standardized and affordable hardware module and sensor system with an open source protocol like midi so that you can quickly build up your own control panels suited for the process maybe even with digital background gfx and labeling.

aliasant · 7 Jun 2010

MichaelBenjamin wrote: the main problem with all this touchyness in multitude on glass surfaces is that our fingers are quite low resolution sausages which are based on tactile feedback. i would rather see some standardized and affordable hardware module and sensor system with an open source protocol like midi so that you can quickly build up your own control panels suited for the process maybe even with digital background gfx and labeling.

Have you tried an iPhone? I still amazes me. The precision is a lot beter then I could ever have imagined.

MichaelBenjamin · 7 Jun 2010

no, to be honest the only time i tried some touchglass is on banking machines, and it felt mostly stupid. but i see that these are probably not up to par with latest screens. iphone, yes it seems to work good. never used it, but seen it being used. maybe i am just overly critical here.

Dj-Grobe · 7 Jun 2010

Somebody here tried HP TM2 ? Somebody here tested DELL XT TABLET OR LENOVO? OR OLDER HP TX2Z (with updated drivers)

All thsi have accurate multitouch capacitive sensors, the tm2 is the bes of alll this............all thsi devcies have one common point 12.1 inch with 1280x800 resolution..............why think on ipad when windows world already have devices on he market can work better than ipad due have more powerfull cpu, big hard disk, multiple usb prts more ram etc etc?

Is really amazing.

tor · 8 Jun 2010

Hey dudes.... potable devices is soon to be so old fashion. The next step is integrated electronics in the human body. http://news.discovery.com/tech/transist ... chine.html

Matrix next huh? I think this seems a little scary 😕

Personally I lost confidence in technology being used solely for peaceful health caring purposes.

trogluddite · 8 Jun 2010

MichaelBenjamin wrote: tactile feedback

That's the clincher for me - how often do you see a concert pianist look at the keyboard? - not very often (they've got a score to read), but their fingers sure know where the keys are even if their eyes don't. I even struggle a bit with endless rotary encoders; I've never found one yet where I can get a feel for how far/fast to twiddle like I can with a good old pot. I foresee a situation like the 80's - everyone ditched 'knobby' analogue for 'the next big thing' (Yamaha DX7 anyone?), then realised that however good the sounds were, they just couldn't interact with their instrument the same way.

Andrew J · 9 Jun 2010

trogluddite wrote: MichaelBenjamin wrote: tactile feedback

That's the clincher for me - how often do you see a concert pianist look at the keyboard? - not very often (they've got a score to read), but their fingers sure know where the keys are even if their eyes don't. I even struggle a bit with endless rotary encoders; I've never found one yet where I can get a feel for how far/fast to twiddle like I can with a good old pot. I foresee a situation like the 80's - everyone ditched 'knobby' analogue for 'the next big thing' (Yamaha DX7 anyone?), then realised that however good the sounds were, they just couldn't interact with their instrument the same way.

Yep good point. Though I did read somewhere that people are working on piezo devices that integrate with touch screens so that you do get tactile feedback. Whether it's good enough for musical expression is another matter...

aliasant · 9 Jun 2010

Maybe touch screens are good for some things but I cant really imagine myself lifting my arms and holding them up to be able to control my screen. It works on something like an iPad that you can have in your lap but not on a workstation. I think Apple has something cooking here.

Imagine tossing your mouse out the window and instead use a small multi touch sensitive pad. Maybe a pad the size of an iPhone or even an iPad.

Your fingers use the pad to control the mousepointer on your screen. You will have Multitouch so you can really control objects just like on an iPad. Make control a volume knob with one finger, tap some pads with a couple of other fingers but you wont have to lean over and cover your monitor with your hairy, greasy hands.

Sort of a mix between a Wacom board and an iPad/iPhone. Similar things surely exists already or can be used like that but when Apple makes something its usually a better product, more well thought and with more user friendlyness 🙂 When they release that I think I will forget about touchscreens for a while. At least bying one for myself.

infuzion · 9 Jun 2010

aliasant wrote: Maybe touch screens are good for some things but I cant really imagine myself lifting my arms and holding them up to be able to control my screen. It works on something like an iPad that you can have in your lap but not on a workstation.

There already is an iTar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfE5R5mP ... r_embedded

I see myself using at least a small 1-touch screen, if not a multi-touch, in the not too distant future.

tor · 9 Jun 2010

huh... no comment on my post?

It was a joke/ anecdote by the way 😉

infuzion · 9 Jun 2010

tor wrote: huh... no comment on my post? It was a joke/ anecdote by the way

Oh, it is on its way. VeriChip, a major microchip/RIFD corporation has been buying up medical health records & microtransactions corporations. We'll all have to wear chips soon.

MichaelBenjamin · 9 Jun 2010

i think nobody will wear a permanent chip voluntarily in his body, either it will be hidden or forced.

aliasant · 9 Jun 2010

MichaelBenjamin wrote: i think nobody will wear a permanent chip voluntarily in his body, either it will be hidden or forced.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3697940.stm http://edition.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9901/14/chipman.idg/

Even a petition to "STOP THE HUMAN CHIP IMPLANT" http://www.thepetitionsite.com/4/stop-the-human-chip-implant

🙂

MB. Theres always people willing to do just about anything. They will have to try hard o get a chip in my body but I guess they will fool me to do it sooner or later. Once its in there Ill try and get some kind of interference gadget so that it wont send/recieve anything unless I ask it to.... lol "wonderful" future........

trogluddite · 9 Jun 2010

Sadly, less subterfuge than you think may be required. For example, I don't see many folk using cash at my local grocery store any more - their spending habits (good approximation of social status in a consumer society) are all potentially accessible digitally - and of course, if you use cash, people might think you're a drug dealer or pimp. The pressure to conform to the social norms of how one displays ones wealth/success, and the desire to avoid being labelled with an undesirable stereotype are incredibly powerful. And as the Dead Kennedys said it two decades ago "Give me convenience or give me death" - I fear that many will be convinced by the argument that having all that personal data implanted will make their lives easier or more secure. Eventually, those of us that see the dangers all too clearly risk becoming the undesirable refuseniks who can't get a job/medical treatment/bank account. Maybe even the fact of having signed one of those petitions would be used against us one day... Oh, the joys of being a pessimist 🙂

aliasant · 9 Jun 2010

Yor absolutely right.

I think we will beg on our bare knees to get an implant. Without it we wont be able to travel to another country, shop in a store, go to the cinemas, drive a vehicle, buy a house or sell it for that matter. All cashflow will be 100% monitored by the shady bastards 😉

At first it might sound good. Great even. No more tax evations.... right... The big guys will find ways for that so its only us little ones that cant get away. How do you sell your old bicycle, by an old pair of ski boots for your kids or pay you friend to paint your livingroom?

All these little things we do that makes us feel good because we feel we have earned a few bux compared to buy new or use a professional painter. Maybe we feel good simply because we actually could afford building that outhouse now that we diodnt have to pay all thetaxes for it. If the goverment/banks can monitor every transacion we make they will want to tax that. Maybe not today or tomorrow but eventually they will get there. 1 step at the time. So that little freedom we now have to make a buck is gone. That will force us to find new ways to feel like we own our own lifes, at least on weekends.... if only for an hour or 2. Maybe we can start using metals like gold or silver to pay for little things? Or maybe , you cut my grass and Ill paint your wifes toenails....?

What will the introductions of new currencies do to the market?

infuzion · 9 Jun 2010

MichaelBenjamin wrote: i think nobody will wear a permanent chip voluntarily in his body, either it will be hidden or forced.

Most of us on this board live under socialized health care: 1) Need medical records for proper emergency care; need to carry records (or at least important info) on you. 2) Get chip implanted when in hospital for any reason (even when getting shots). 3) No more fake IDs. I'm sure there will be more excuses.

This sort of system is inevitable as long as people look at their government, regional government (EU), or world government (UN) to fix their own problems.

trogluddite · 9 Jun 2010

infuzion wrote: Need medical records for proper emergency care...

Happening as we speak in the UK - Big central Health Service database being set up - I got the glossy 'isn't this great' brochure a couple of weeks ago. Does it say who exactly has access to the database? - of course not. Can I opt out? - Yes, but changing to a new doctor if I need one won't be easy. Do I now have to worry that my past record of "mental health issues" (i.e.not fitting in very well) is a black mark against my name? - or maybe you had drug problems in the past - or maybe have a long term (i.e. expensive to treat) illness - maybe a 'defective' gene that is a risk for life insurance. There's also plenty of people hacking just for kicks - but what would they say to a big corporation offering tax-free cash to hack a database for commercially useful nformation' (with a big bonus for keeping their mouths shut, of course)?

Strange how a 'geeky' DSP programmer's forum is the best place I know to debate this stuff - trying it down my local bar/club/store etc. just meets with vacant stares or confrontation.. Helps me to stay sane knowing it's not just me.

trogluddite · 9 Jun 2010

P.S. @ DJ Grobe All getting a bit off topic, sorry mate - the user interface stuff is a cool debate too (and gives me less nightmares).

tor · 9 Jun 2010

trogluddite wrote: P.S. @ DJ Grobe All getting a bit off topic, sorry mate - the user interface stuff is a cool debate too (and gives me less nightmares).

Agree to that one 🙂 Never nevertheless the world is a huge user interface :P

MichaelBenjamin · 10 Jun 2010

ok enough blackpainting, heres the white vision: there will be blank chips available that can be programmed to.. do just everything. programming evolves further and becomes a somewhat mundane task but no less fascinating. these chips are very small and dissolve themselves after some time into harmless stuff that gets absorbed. so you could inject into each of your fingers one of these equvalents of a todays 8 core system with 8 gb ram and program them to send and produce data to light and sound devices, painting, construction and other machines around you. maybe also thought controlled. this could be so awesome. and afterall its up to you what will happen with these things that will come up anyways - global oppressive police state or global creative assembly. if its needed for further education we have to go through the first one, if we are mature and evolved enough maybe that part can be skipped.

infuzion · 28 Jun 2010

Back slightly on topic: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/n ... aptop.html

The Libretto W100 runs Microsoft's Windows 7 operating system, and has two 7in, LED-backlit touch-screens. Toshiba says its compact size and clamshell form factor provides "unrivaled flexibility". ..."Additionally, the device can also be used vertically thanks to an integrated accelerometer." Users type on a virtual keyboard, which boasts haptic feedback to provide a physical sense of keys being pressed. The Libretto W100 uses an Intel processor and a 62GB solid state drive to store applications, documents and movies, photos and music. It features integrated Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, and there is also a 3G version...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/21/tosh ... -with-dua/

1.2GHz Intel Pentium U5400 processor, 2GB of RAM, a 64GB SSD and Windows 7 Home Premium. We know -- it's all pretty zany, and though Toshiba is calling it a "concept PC," it's actually planning to bring it to market for

Acrobat · 2 Jul 2010

trogluddite wrote: I don't see many folk using cash at my local grocery store any more - their spending habits (good approximation of social status in a consumer society) are all potentially accessible digitally - and of course, if you use cash, people might think you're a drug dealer or pimp.

I thought that's how it goes in the US, not Albion... 😉

Acrobat · 2 Jul 2010

HEy guys if implants will really come, somebody will hack'em, as always been in the history of the world? 😀

MegaHurtz · 2 Jul 2010

And it will be easyer to hack then everything before 😀 Thats a good thing 😀

I think people should focus on the people themselves. Not the mainly negative data we can put into files. The advance of this kind of technology will ever more push the need to share more and more data amongst organisations, wich will totally ivaporate a persons privacy. And the right to it. Wich in term will increase unemployment and social disorder.

MegaHurtz · 3 Jul 2010

Acrobat wrote: HEy guys if implants will really come, somebody will hack'em, as always been in the history of the world? 😀

Nerds will have superhuman powers 😍

Acrobat · 8 Jul 2010

MegaHurtz wrote: Acrobat wrote: HEy guys if implants will really come, somebody will hack'em, as always been in the history of the world? 😀

Nerds will have superhuman powers 😍

I think human power will be sufficient enough. I'm not a doctor or have any skill in medics but I doubt a simple electro-chimical implant could cause a man to do what it is programmed for. I seriously doubt it. Even if it was implanted on people like Blatter or Hugh Grant.

MegaHurtz · 8 Jul 2010

I think human power will be sufficient enough. I'm not a doctor or have any skill in medics but I doubt a simple electro-chimical implant could cause a man to do what it is programmed for. I seriously doubt it. Even if it was implanted on people like Blatter or Hugh Grant.

Nahh 😀 I ment hughe credit, and an excellent trackrecord. (on your personal id chip) I dont like being tracked, I yust don`t like it. But i do beleive there`s all kinds of stuff you can do to people`s minds. Like frighten them, make them angry, make them feel like theyre god, or make them feel very weak. I do not beleive this has to be done with implants, more of a soundpressure/media/radiation thing.