Order of automatable VST parameters is a big mess -.-

sunsynth · 14 Mar 2010

Hi NM,

can u place an OSM here so we see this 'mess'... maybe we find a solution 4U!

exonerate · 14 Mar 2010

In FL synthmaker there is an option in the "schematic" menu to reorder preset parameters. This might do what you want, not sure though never tested it.

Strangely that option does not show up in the full version of SM. 😕

Cheers 😉

Exo

noise_maker · 14 Mar 2010

I've "fixed" it by copying the VSTpara which show first to those that I wanted to put first...

It could be much easier if we could actually see the parameters on a seperate window and reorder them manual.

Acrobat · 15 Mar 2010

noise_maker wrote: I've "fixed" it by copying the VSTpara which show first to those that I wanted to put first...

It could be much easier if we could actually see the parameters on a seperate window and reorder them manual.

oh, I've just written a note on the other post, did you see it? Well, anyway a "separate window" was already requested in "Ideas and Requests", if I remember well... 🙂

rl · 15 Mar 2010

not quite off-topic: there is still the issue that the ORION sequencer does not display all automation parameters (only a small subset) and I couldn't figure a pattern which parameters will be skipped. So Malc if you are looking into this issue, could you also check for this related issue. (I posted a question on the ORION support forums but got no answer yet.)

ccpurno · 20 Mar 2010

+1 on fixing the missing Orion parameters.

CC

bootsy · 30 Mar 2010

+1 for an ordering option. As I see it for now the only possibility is to put numbers upfront since their appear sorted (correct me if I'm wrong).

malc · 30 Mar 2010

There is a way to do this.

1. Go inside your Preset Manager module and locate the Preset Text File primitive (in the standard Preset Manager module this is inside the Save/Load sub module)

2. Set the Order input for that component to True

3. From the File menu on the Preset Manager GUI select 'Save All Programs' , choose a filename and location and save

4. Go to the file system and open the text file. It's easier to use Excel or any other spreadsheet app but you can also use a text editor - just be careful not to delete the tabs

5. You should see an 'Order' column filled with -1 values, change these values to set the order of the parameters from 0 upwards. Save as text file when you are finished.

6. Go back to your PM File menu and choose Load All Programs pointing it to the file you just changed

When you export to VST the order should now be changed.

If you add new parameters to your schematic you can repeat steps 3-6. Orders that have already been set will be preserved but if you want to insert a parameter then you'll obviously need to re-shuffle things.

If you use a spreadsheet app then an easy way to do a reshuffle is to select all the parameter rows (so that's the rows below the row with the headings Parameter, Type, Order etc.) and then sort them by the Order column ascending. Now move rows around to get the order you want and then simply fill down from 0 on the order column to set the order values.

You can also set program names by editing the column headings that appear after the Order column heading.

If you don't set the ordering then they are ordered in ascending alphabetical order (so yes bootsy, your assumption is correct).

bootsy · 31 Mar 2010

thanks!

Acrobat · 1 Apr 2010

6. Go back to your PM File menu and choose Load All Programs pointing it to the file you just changed When you export to VST the order should now be changed.

This is the key point, bu does NOT work. I attached the text files work on my plugin, if you load the file "Spirale Start" (one of my presets) you'll see that ordering it's been done but is uneffective... 😝

malc · 1 Apr 2010

It's not the ordering in the text file that changes - parameters will always appear in their schematic order when saved out to a text file. What changes is the order they appear in the host.

The text files you've posted all have the correct order numbers assigned to them.

Acrobat · 1 Apr 2010

malc wrote: It's not the ordering in the text file that changes - parameters will always appear in their schematic order when saved out to a text file. What changes is the order they appear in the host.

The text files you've posted all have the correct order numbers assigned to them.

Sorry, I always mess up the two things, I guess! 😮

McBarGig · 15 Apr 2010

Hi Guys, I had to do some of this stuff myself and I figured it would be easier to just write a utility to help. This replaces the text editor or spreadsheet program in Malc's description above.

However, before you follow steps 1 to 3, save a preset first WITHOUT ordering. This utility will add all the required parameters and headings. I believe you still have to set the ordering to true on the preset manager after. This utility has 2 list boxes, the left list box contains the un-ordered preset text file. You select the parameters from the first list box and add them to the second list box using the ">" button. Whatever order the second list box is in, is how your preset text file will be ordered. Simply click save and your preset will be saved and ordered. DON'T save to the same filename as I have not fully tested this. I Don't want to see you loose a preset in case there is a flaw somewhere. Also this does not work on banks, only single preset text files.

Also, this does not take into account VST Arrays, so, wave tables will be ignored, you will have to add them manually.. I think thats about it... Hopefully it works for you..Just copy it to a folder and double click it..

There is an updated version of this available on this thread... SynthMaker Preset Ordering

Acrobat · 17 Apr 2010

McBarGig wrote: Hi Guys, I had to do some of this stuff myself and I figured it would be easier to just write a utility to help. This replaces the text editor or spreadsheet program in Malc's description above. I think thats about it... Hopefully it works for you..Just copy it to a folder and double click it..

Thank you very much I'll try it soon as I can! 😀

McBarGig · 18 Apr 2010

Actually Acrobat I have a new version just about complete. The new version will also contain a Preset maker that allows you to select the parameters you wish to use and it will create randomized presets for you. Obviously they are not gonna be your final presets, but they could be a starting point..Also the new version allows you to set position by dragging a parameter into the space where you want it..Its just a little easier to work with..

Acrobat · 18 Apr 2010

McBarGig wrote: Actually Acrobat I have a new version just about complete. The new version will also contain a Preset maker that allows you to select the parameters you wish to use and it will create randomized presets for you. Obviously they are not gonna be your final presets, but they could be a starting point..Also the new version allows you to set position by dragging a parameter into the space where you want it..Its just a little easier to work with..

Yum! Waiting for that - as for the random feature, I use MiniHost at the moment, which has a nice random feature, you should check it out maybe... cheers 🙂

McBarGig · 18 Apr 2010

Well I am not sure if Mini host does what ours does, but I will check it out. With ours you can specify a text file and it separates the words in the text file, uses them as names for presets. You point it to a folder and it will create thousands of presets. You can also specify what parameters to randomize and what parameters to ignore. Not sure if it needs anything else, but that will be out today.

I have also built an add on for your selector. Beside the selector is a button called folder. That button runs a separate Exe that allows the user to select what folders to include in the dropdown menu of the selector. The executable just needs to be placed in the same path as the DLL. I made this so that we could handle multiple depths of paths. But once my testers go a hold of it they decided that they did not want the full paths, but instead just wanted to use single folder depth..It can be modified to handle many path depth levels though..

McBarGig · 21 Apr 2010

I have updated the Preset ordering program its available here... SynthMaker Preset Ordering

I did not add the Preset Randomize functions to it, that will probably be in a separate executable...