From the original SynthMaker forum (2004–2014), with its members’ names and dates.
Dell ·
Right!
I am not sure if my ears are deceiving me, or I’m just being a little too critical about this small equaliser I designed. Possibly someone can tell me if it sounds pleasing to your ears or not.
I’ve uploaded a video. Although, I used one of my URS equalisers to make a comparison, I am not aiming for my design to sound exactly like URS.
http://go.sharehub.com/shared/31e2b155- ... d9b9164047
Cheers.
Dell ·
Do any of the frequencies sound like they are ringing? 😕
MichaelBenjamin ·
its probably nobody downloads videos anymore. maybe some mp3 as attachment
Dell ·
There were twelve downloads and I downloaded the video once to make sure everything was in working order.
Hopefully one out of the eleven downloaders could share their thoughts on the sound.
Cheers.
aliasant ·
Dell wrote: There were twelve downloads and I downloaded the video once to make sure everything was in working order.
Hopefully one out of the eleven downloaders could share their thoughts on the sound.
Cheers.
Well. I tried to download it but the download would take days to complete so I never bothered. Maybe that counted as 1 download never the less and perhaps thats the story with all the downloads? Put the file on a fast server some were. Preferably a non free crap server 😉
Dell ·
aliasant wrote: Dell wrote: There were twelve downloads and I downloaded the video once to make sure everything was in working order.
Hopefully one out of the eleven downloaders could share their thoughts on the sound.
Cheers.
Well. I tried to download it but the download would take days to complete so I never bothered. Maybe that counted as 1 download never the less and perhaps thats the story with all the downloads? Put the file on a fast server some were. Preferably a non free crap server 😉
I have no idea why it would take you days when I can download it within 15 seconds. 🙂
aliasant ·
Well. I started te dwnoad again and it is faster then last time. Only 10 minutes left now if it keeps this speed. The problems with free crap servers are that they share a cheap bandwidth with hundreds r thousands of other cheap servers and mayb I tried to download it when the line was busy. Its still pretty slow though. Maybe Im just spoiled with my 100Mbit fibre 😉
Looking at your picture I see you are getting 5ks speed. Im steady at 132KB now =(
Dell ·
Cheers for taking the time to download it. 🙂 I am most concerned if the mid frequencies (1 - 2.5 kHz) sound a tad annoying.
This is the speed converted. I do not know why your speed is not greater than mine since I'm on cable.
aliasant ·
I think the video is quite hard to interpret but they both sound ok at first. After listening a couple of times yours has a nice high end 10k and up. Maybe cause you have that 14k turned up a bit? Quite clear sound really. I felt the URS was slightly more muddy in the high mids maybe. My ears arnt that good Im afraid.
If you need a GUI for this I might be able to help. Would be interesting to test it on my own rig with my own AD/DAs
Dell ·
I'm happy to hear it faired well. 🙂
I'm not into video and noticed later I could have added text descriptions to make it easier. 😝
It is a smaller (really small) version of my 66-band Equaliser. I literally listened to each frequency to make sure it offered no ringing. Unfortunately my ears were a bit fatigued after the test. This is why I wanted a second opinion.
I will be giving this one away free in the months to come. There are few small elements I would like to address. Can you wait by the end of March? I plan to offer it on KVR in mid April.
My GUI looks that bad? I was aiming for a classic early 70’s approach. Nothing flashy just a basic equaliser that sits in the corner that will get the job done if/when needed.
aliasant ·
Dell wrote: I'm happy to hear it faired well. 🙂
I'm not into video and noticed later I could have added text descriptions to make it easier. 😝
It is a smaller (really small) version of my 66-band Equaliser. I literally listened to each frequency to make sure it offered no ringing. Unfortunately my ears were a bit fatigued after the test. This is why I wanted a second opinion.
I will be giving this one away free in the months to come. There are few small elements I would like to address. Can you wait by the end of March? I plan to offer it on KVR in mid April.
My GUI looks that bad? I was aiming for a classic early 70’s approach. Nothing flashy just a basic equaliser that sits in the corner that will get the job done if/when needed.
You can also add a channel in your host and plugin a mic. Talk to us while adjusting the plugs. That works if your confident in your voice I guess 🙂 Its easier then adding text afterwords.
About the gui. Well. Your using someone elses knobs and what nots. Maybe it would be more attractive to users if it has its own sweet gui. I know sound comes first for the real user but for most of the kvrs looks is at least as important.
Dell ·
aliasant wrote: You can also add a channel in your host and plugin a mic. Talk to us while adjusting the plugs. That works if your confident in your voice I guess 🙂 Its easier then adding text afterwords.
About the gui. Well. Your using someone elses knobs and what nots. Maybe it would be more attractive to users if it has its own sweet gui. I know sound comes first for the real user but for most of the kvrs looks is at least as important.
Fortunately, I am not shy when making announcements. 🙂
I never thought it would be a problem using someone's controls when the designer offered them freely to do as user pleases. I would imagine if I were making a profit things would be different. Wouldn't the person who generously offered his or her controls free to the Synthmaker community expect they will be used in a VST module and offered free to the public? 😕
I agree with the majority of KVR members who, listen with their eyes and not their ears, will not find this device to their liking. This equaliser is based on an old type of sound. There were no flashy graphic equalisers in the 70's to early 80's. They were either black or silver and offered a very bland look. To my eyes the skin reflects a more sophisticated look. Hence the reason I used Jazz as the reference material to hear what it possess. Possibly I should hold off on the graphic equaliser and offer a flashy compressor instead to grab their attention and later on introduce the graphic equaliser.
Cheers!
aliasant ·
I dont think there is a problem using stuff found in the forum if you mention them in the info of the plug BUT. You might have a nice sounding EQ so why get sloppy on the other part of the plugin? Also. Almost everyone downloads and tests a plugin that looks good, if nothing else just to see what it looks and feels like. If it doesnt sound good fine, then they know and can toss it out but a lot fewer tests a plugin that doesnt shine in the gui. So. If you want your plugin to be used, a nice gui really helps.
Dell ·
I cannot dispute logic. 🙂
I may just use loopey's knobs for public releases. I have no idea where the other ones stem from. They appear to be passed around which brings forth too much complications. It seems I need to learn how to create my own GUI for public releases.
I must commend you for your help. I take it you offer free VSTs as well? 🙂
aliasant ·
Dell wrote: I cannot dispute logic. 🙂
I may just use loopey's knobs for public releases. I have no idea where the other ones stem from. They appear to be passed around which brings forth too much complications. It seems I need to learn how to create my own GUI for public releases.
I must commend you for your help. I take it you offer free VSTs as well? 🙂
Lol. I havnt really offered any plugs yet but I plan to....... one sunny day... far far from today.. Havnt had time for SM the past week or so. Just got a new camera and have been nerding away on lenses and stuff for the camera. Right now Im cleaning a very old Takumar Lens from the 50s. Damn all the small screws...
Dell ·
So you’re a photographer. No wonder you were hinting my GUI looked mediocre. 🙂
Cheers!
aliasant ·
Dell wrote: So you’re a photographer. No wonder you were hinting my GUI looked mediocre. 🙂
Cheers!
Lol No not really. Its more a hobby. I think 99% of ALL guis are more or less ugly or at least not inspiring 🙂 and I do think a good sound deserves an equally god gui. Not just what the knob or what ever looks like but how it actually "feels" to adjust + a million other small details no one else probably notices or cares about.
MegaHurtz ·
I think the tenor gets better into the high end, with the 14k. Only to me there seems to be a slight lack of colour in the sound. Maybe the bands don`t match as well as with the urs. The filters on the other hand sound better.
Dell ·
MegaHurtz wrote: I think the tenor gets better into the high end, with the 14k. Only to me there seems to be a slight lack of colour in the sound. Maybe the bands don`t match as well as with the urs. The filters on the other hand sound better.
Cheers for downloading the video. 🙂
Could you tell me what frequencies you've noticed that seems to lack in colour? That is such a broad term and, I'm more familiar with frequencies. The URS is an excellent EQ and I do hear the edge over mine on some passages.
It is interesting you said the filters sound better. I've tested a few high end plug-ins against various equalisers made with synthmaker and, to my ears synthmaker's filters offer a better quality.
MegaHurtz ·
The results of the urs work over the istruments themselves, enhancing them within the texture. Bringing to the front the "complete" instrument. The biquads althoug having a nice tone, sepperate the instruments. So you hear more of the filters. Bringing a part to the front but more or less sepperating the instrument in two halves. It`s kind of philosophical, and it happens on crossovers (in frequency terms). Could well be in the filters themselves, the ratios, or the q setting. I dunno for shure?
MegaHurtz ·
Synthmaker is BIG on filters.
Dell ·
MegaHurtz wrote: The results of the urs work over the istruments themselves, enhancing them within the texture. Bringing to the front the "complete" instrument. The biquads althoug having a nice tone, sepperate the instruments. So you hear more of the filters. Bringing a part to the front but more or less sepperating the instrument in two halves. It`s kind of philosophical, and it happens on crossovers (in frequency terms). Could well be in the filters themselves, the ratios, or the q setting. I dunno for shure?
I understand I created it that way for I wanted it to sound more like a hardware equaliser. The URS sounds superb enhancing the bongos (percussion) for the attack time is more apparent whereas, mine is a little tamer. 🙂
That is exactly what I was aiming for so I am happy to hear it simulates what I was trying to project. 😀
Dell ·
MegaHurtz wrote: Synthmaker is BIG on filters.
With a lot of practice, I'm sure we can create some very desirable plug-ins. Possibly eliminate the bad reputation once and for all. 🙂
MegaHurtz ·
It`s not a bad thing. Not at all, I use two flavours eq for my music also. But mostly the phase all over the place Req. The URS A10 I sometimes use on breaks to give it some pinch. Lin eq on the base, and Camel Audio for the medium ground. So anything goes.. Maybe for "analog flavour" A little tpd dither and bandlimmiting.
Dell ·
I own a lot of hardware so, my goal is to have my plug-ins reflect that type of sound. If you ever happen to measure a hardware device, you'll realise a lot information stated by large plug-in developers is rubbish.
I measured some of their plug-ins and, their meaning of analogue is to cut off (not roll-off) the high frequencies. Some are gracious enough to reduce the bass 😕 Evaluating old recordings their were never any bass roll-off that many are trying promote today. Their tactic may work for those who never used old hardware however, when a person has hardware sitting in their racks, they know many large companies have no idea what they are doing. I would imagine this is why my effect rack chain bears more plug-ins steming from smaller developers than larger companies in addition to designing my own plug-ins came about. 🙂
Cheers!
Dell ·
aliasant wrote: Dell wrote: So you’re a photographer. No wonder you were hinting my GUI looked mediocre. 🙂
Cheers!
Lol No not really. Its more a hobby. I think 99% of ALL guis are more or less ugly or at least not inspiring 🙂 and I do think a good sound deserves an equally god gui. Not just what the knob or what ever looks like but how it actually "feels" to adjust + a million other small details no one else probably notices or cares about.
I will need to focus on the graphical side of my plug-ins so they seem more appealing. I may upload some photos in the near future. Hopefully, you will have some spare time to share your thoughts on the matter. 🙂
Cheers!
aliasant ·
Ill try 🙂
I have spent many years designing Vintage styled guis so I should be able to at least give some tips.
MegaHurtz ·
Yes y`ll have to do with some faults.. I mean come on how good does an analog base boost sound. It`s magic. It`s more of an attempt to remove the digital distortion, wich is working. But the lower resolution spectrum is very finite. And these methods are yust to clean it up a little. Forget about the low shelf.. It`s not going to do a thing.. On your music maybe But Ill let the mastering house use it`s weiss 🙂. Gladly it`s not possible to replace this life with a simple switch. Amen for that.
Dell ·
aliasant wrote: Ill try 🙂
I have spent many years designing Vintage styled guis so I should be able to at least give some tips.
Would average KVR user find this attractive? 😕
Dell ·
MegaHurtz wrote: Yes y`ll have to do with some faults.. I mean come on how good does an analog base boost sound. It`s magic. It`s more of an attempt to remove the digital distortion, wich is working. But the lower resolution spectrum is very finite. And these methods are yust to clean it up a little. Forget about the low shelf.. It`s not going to do a thing.. On your music maybe But Ill let the mastering house use it`s weiss 🙂. Gladly it`s not possible to replace this life with a simple switch. Amen for that.
I’ve analysed a few equaliser plug-ins and, I now understand why I needed to double up on a few plug-ins just to attain the proper bass. 🙂
MegaHurtz ·
The phase is behaving better in analog machines. 1 sample is hughe compared to 1 step under lightspeed. But if it sounds right I would like to pick up a copy one day. The gui doesnt bother me at all 🙂 Only theres a lot of stuff sepperating the men from the boys, Im not calling boy yust yet. But here`s an example.. Berhinger, every well rounded musician knows there is a quality alternative. But the folks at Berhinger have to write professional on everything yust to make kids (and poor people) buy the stuff. There is no relation to the words pro, mastering, analog ..aso- and good. Take Universal Audio for example if they make a leveller the front yust says "leveller". This gives off a lot of confidence, and right back to me in not being underestimated as a musician. And most of all making my choices based on knowing my stuff and listening carefully.
Dell ·
I own a few Behringer products however they were made in Germany before Uli decided to change his whole infrastructure. I can understand his reasoning why he chose to move in the opposite direction in the late 1990’s. Had he not, owning Midas would not be possible today.
Universal Audio seems to buy the rights of other companies (Neve, API and s forth), which enables them to design products whereas Behringer will just copy the product with or without the original manufacture’s consent and, sell it at a very low price.
Possibly I see things differently for I cannot say either company has anything marketed today that is not copied from something else. What I see is two companies catering for two different markets. One uses the word professional to capture the inexperienced eyes into assuming they will be classed a professional using a particular product. The other throws old quality brand names to wards potential clients to lure them in to buying their products.
There are some quirks I’ll need to address before offering that equaliser. I have lots of equalisers so, you are more than welcomed to try another equaliser for the time being. 🙂
Cheers!
aliasant ·
Dell wrote: aliasant wrote: Ill try 🙂
I have spent many years designing Vintage styled guis so I should be able to at least give some tips.
Would average KVR user find this attractive? 😕
It looks better. Funny that the direction of the scale is "backwards" 🙂 If I had time right now I could have made you a few but im drowning in camera lenses......
MegaHurtz ·
It`s not about steal this steal that.. it`s the difference between 20 cents and 2 dollar pots not 50 cents but 50 dollar opamps, 2000 dollar ic`s, zener diodes and so on and so on. Thats what yr paying for.. quality. And beleive me I used to opperate a pick and place machine for medical and military pcb prototype manufacture.. The good stuff will cost you dearly. Beringers Eurorack is the one that got ripped off by Macky. 🙂 And the oldschool berhinger wasnt that bad, I gladly use an ultrafex to remove aliassing noise from my class D amp for my tv. But this is becouse I barely twist a pot.. else they crack. Im glad to give you the tip that if you make something good keep the interface free of random terms. Not yust for my own pleasure in returning to actually use it.. But to appeal to another market.. the professional one.
Dell ·
aliasant wrote: Dell wrote: aliasant wrote: Ill try 🙂
I have spent many years designing Vintage styled guis so I should be able to at least give some tips.
Would average KVR user find this attractive? 😕
It looks better. Funny that the direction of the scale is "backwards" 🙂 If I had time right now I could have made you a few but im drowning in camera lenses......
So I take it esoteric is the objective?
That is not the same equaliser. It follows a different scheme externally & internally.
No worries on making a skin for me mate. I would consider myself self sufficient to a degree. I will need to learn how to make my own graphic user interface. It is just a matter of me focusing more on details from a visual aspect. 🙂
Cheers!
Dell ·
MegaHurtz wrote: It`s not about steal this steal that.. it`s the difference between 20 cents and 2 dollar pots not 50 cents but 50 dollar opamps, 2000 dollar ic`s, zener diodes and so on and so on. Thats what yr paying for.. quality. And beleive me I used to opperate a pick and place machine for medical and military pcb prototype manufacture.. The good stuff will cost you dearly. Beringers Eurorack is the one that got ripped off by Macky. 🙂 And the oldschool berhinger wasnt that bad, I gladly use an ultrafex to remove aliassing noise from my class D amp for my tv. But this is becouse I barely twist a pot.. else they crack. Im glad to give you the tip that if you make something good keep the interface free of random terms. Not yust for my own pleasure in returning to actually use it.. But to appeal to another market.. the professional one.
I have some old valve equipment that stems from the late 1940's to mid 50’s, which are still functioning today so I can relate on quality parts. Thank you for sharing your experience. 🙂
My experience with the new Behringer products (post 1996) is minimum. I've read a lot of horror stories on their desks however, never used one personally. One of my Behringer compressors is no longer functioning. It had 12 years of service before the electrolytic dried up. A minor fix for anyone handy with a soldering iron. The others are not showing any signs of malfunctioning as of yet.
Hopefully as time progress I will purchase a Class D amplifier. In meantime my old iron-core transformer amplifiers will have to do. All fall within the Class AB, or H range.
Cheers!
aliasant ·
Dell wrote: So I take it esoteric is the objective?
That is not the same equaliser. It follows a different scheme externally & internally.
No worries on making a skin for me mate. I would consider myself self sufficient to a degree. I will need to learn how to make my own graphic user interface. It is just a matter of me focusing more on details from a visual aspect. 🙂
Cheers!
Eh. No. It looked cleaner and cleaner is better but I didnt say it looked good 😉
Dell ·
aliasant wrote: Dell wrote: So I take it esoteric is the objective?
That is not the same equaliser. It follows a different scheme externally & internally.
No worries on making a skin for me mate. I would consider myself self sufficient to a degree. I will need to learn how to make my own graphic user interface. It is just a matter of me focusing more on details from a visual aspect. 🙂
Cheers!
Eh. No. It looked cleaner and cleaner is better but I didnt say it looked good 😉
Fair enough! 😀
At least I have a starting point. 🙂
Cheers!
MegaHurtz ·
Dell wrote: Hopefully as time progress I will purchase a Class D amplifier. In meantime my old iron-core transformer amplifiers will have to do. All fall within the Class AB, or H range. Cheers!
Gut it for free, think ucd`s suck.. my main monitors have quad class A. I love it 🙂
Dell ·
My apologies.
I was referring to professional commercial amplifiers (Lab Gruppen, Powersoft, Crown, QSC etc.). I own a lot of professional commercial amplifiers and tend to use them for home use. I do have a few valve amplifiers. One is used in a bi-amp configuration listening to music at home. They are push-pull so they are not Class A. I prefer valves overall for high frequencies and, semiconductors for the low end.
Cheers!
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