From the original SynthMaker forum (2004–2014), with its members’ names and dates.
Dj-Grobe ·
Over all this years, every usser of SM, send some mail to Malc for ask, how i can do this or that, or add this or add that feature....and Malc always repply.
Every user of SM want some new feature and a large number of us, already requested.
Lot of that features are present in the curent version of SM, and other no yet.
I think is time every user of SM help to increase the sales due that is the way SM team probably can put more time or more coders to work, that is the only way we see some complex things like port to OSX, accurate timming, lockable modules, multitouch, OSC implementation, and more features and more bug fixes can e reality soon !
What i propose is simple, just include in the main screen of your aplication, SM logo with legened, "made with synthmaker"
I plain do that from the next release of my software MonoTouchLive.
probably something like this
No want change your main screen! no problem, just show for 2 seconds, and then hide or just show some text
: ) is easy !
Somebody want join to this crusade? please repply with your +1 : )
I are one !
NOTE: i know malc and the other developers put all the human time he can put on this, probably this help to put more coders to work : )
MichaelBenjamin ·
i think thats just the wrong direction 180 degrees.
sm is a valid development environment with some known limitations. inside its restrictions it works fairly good, and if some time is invested the performance is also almost on par with c++ developed plugins.
besides its nice interface the programming in sm native code is not much different than the c++ snippets i saw. if the code module would support the missing usual expressions and could take some arrays together with some half intelligent self optimizing compiler then it probably would be almost the same.
the only thing that still may cause problems is the wrapper, all the vst framework and special host compatibility fixes that cannot be done by yourself in this case.
do you also want juce users to slap a juce badge on everything which is just a bit cooler than made with se/sm but a lot less than no badge (which probably means coded per hand on an old typewriter inside a dark dungeon with some magic substances)?
do you think the hardcore c++ developers put every bit in its right position with their own hands? no, they also use all tools that make it easier to get a program running.
while its right that they can react much better on individual host necessitys (which seem to be quite a mess in general) and have some more principles to play with , as far as the actual dsp goes you can do the same with sm. code almost everything for yourself and let sm deliver the vst shell for it. i also think that these kind of programs for any kind of creative algorithm development will evolve to be much more refined in future, so basically no need to feel guilty because youre using them. just dont expect to slap some stock modules together and be wowed upon. the algorithm doesnt program itself, this always will be your own occupation. the best thing you can do for sm is to get some nice code running and build a good interface around it, not weaving some kind of crusade flag.
this also brings me to the point that people should boycott the "made with" option in plugin submission.
its of no real interest other than to stigmate some plugins. why not "made with juce" then? because it involves more typing, less restrictions and more of that formulaic leetness?
the only thing these badges do is harming the recognition of this quite new kind of development package, in a kind that comes close to bigotry. it does not matter what was used, and it definately doesnt need to be badged.
here is what matters:
- plugin works, does not crash
- plugin is useful for something
but look at the dark imperator or the pope today, and start your jpeg armed crusade against everyone that doesnt like synthmaker, just make sure you get the actual plugin right.
and dont take this personal, its just the badges and crusades that tickle me so that had to be said.
Dj-Grobe ·
Your point of view is valid : )
Anyway i continue thinking making promotion to SM can attract to new developers......just that.
Best regards!
Tzarls ·
Hi DJ-G.....Just one word of advise, in case you really want to insert this logo in your creations: it should read "built with SM" or "made with SM", not "builded". Please don´t take this as an offense, just wanted to help you, as I know english is not you native language (I think you´re from Argentina, right? Greetings from Perú!). 🙂
Dj-Grobe ·
Correctly! hermano peruano !!
Thankyou.
philter5 ·
hey dj grobe
i made some similar logos etc. some times ago. if you want to have a look
here it is! greetz phil 🙂
Synthmaker GUI Pack Vol1 -Vol?
Dj-Grobe ·
Grat job man !!! i like your logos.
Created in corel draw?
If yes can make public the CDR?
If not, can build the last in the list in black? i need all in absolute black and text in white , or soft gray, etc etc.
infuzion ·
Honestly, I think that over half of SM VST are crap, so this campaign could backfire. Bootsy & your MonoTouch are the few that put SM in a good light... & Bootsy's have crash issues in some hosts due to SM. I used to think the same of SE, until xoxox, de la mechana & a few select VSTs were built with a high polish & creativeness.
Anyway, "maid" = woman who is paid to clean/cook someone else's house, "made" I think is the correct spelling here. 😉 (English is weird).
Dj-Grobe ·
I corrected that MAID issue jajaja , thankyou Infuzion, and thanks for think my software no is a CRAP, the new version 3 is the really better : )
Your point of view can ve valid.
Anyway i plain inform to everybody i created the MTL with SM.
philter5 ·
Dj-Grobe wrote: Grat job man !!! i like your logos.
Created in corel draw?
If yes can make public the CDR?
If not, can build the last in the list in black? i need all in absolute black and text in white , or soft gray, etc etc.
no, unfortunately i made the logos with photofiltre and saved them as gif files.but the gif file is really bad for
editing . 😕
but i can try to create some new ones and then i´ll send them to you.
trogluddite ·
Have to say, I'm with infuzion and M.Benjamin on this one. SM has to live or die based on its quality as a development environment. The quality of any given plugin tells you more about the plugin's creator than it does about SM. I've certainly created some crap myself that I wouldn't want to tarnish SMs reputation with.
The Luddite
Acrobat ·
I think when somebody reaches high results bring all of us upper in consideration, so, for example, the winning of Ferric by Bootsy on KVR contest surely made a lot of people uncheck the "Exclude SM-made VSTs" from their searches. At some point people change their mind, just wait your time... 😉
MegaHurtz ·
infuzion wrote: Bootsy's have crash issues in some hosts due to SM.
The release was yust prior to the vast improvements made in the many many beta`s.
Maybe if he had a rebounce ittl be better.
Still mhwoaa it`s trips fm8.
Acrobat ·
MegaHurtz wrote:
infuzion wrote: Bootsy's have crash issues in some hosts due to SM.
The release was yust prior to the vast improvements made in the many many beta`s.
Maybe if he had a rebounce ittl be better.
Still mhwoaa it`s trips fm8.
It's not written anywhere you have to compile with the latest version. 😉
MegaHurtz ·
With version 1.3 ofcourse 😀
Dell ·
Acrobat wrote: I think when somebody reaches high results bring all of us upper in consideration, so, for example, the winning of Ferric by Bootsy on KVR contest surely made a lot of people uncheck the "Exclude SM-made VSTs" from their searches. At some point people change their mind, just wait your time... 😉
You would be surprised how many use Synthmaker that don't know they are using Synthmaker. 😉
On KVR, Antress is praised all the time for his/her plug-ins. There was a youtube video, where one bloke compared one of Antress compressors to a UAD compressor and the results were so close some were wondering the need of buying UAD when a synthmaker plug-in can do the same thing. Bootsie was one of the first developers that focused on the sound and not just a pretty gui. I believe Nebula is Synthmaker. AcmeBarGig is Synthmaker. I would imagine there are no less than one hundred developers using Synthmaker sharing or selling their work to the masses.
Of course, their are those that never released a plug-in to the public and, use it as a secret weapon. 🙂
Cheers!
MegaHurtz ·
Why not help the community 😉
So the community helps Synthmaker recursively, and let the willingnes to share the wealth reflect on the people who are learning. To never dismiss the efford put in, but to embrace it in knowing that every thing that is, is due to the collective efford of great minds alike.
Be humble, Expand!
trogluddite ·
Like that idea. Get Synthmaker a reputation not just for being good software, but also for being the home of some excellent programmers and teachers.
Dell ·
I would love to help others and share some of my creations. Unfortunately, my experience with Synthmaker is less than a year. I am not ashamed to say my knowledge in designing plug-ins is intermediate. 🙁
Hopefully when spring arrives I’ll learn enough to release free a plug-in on KVR. 🙂
Cheers!
trogluddite ·
Dell wrote: I would love to help others and share some of my creations. Unfortunately, my experience with Synthmaker is less than a year.
Remember though, that sometimes it is the ideas you have for what you'd like to do that can be just as important - there are always folks around who can help with solving purely technical problems, but the programming gurus aren't always the same people who have the inspired ideas.
The interest generated by Philter5's recent threads about 3D interfaces is a good example - he suggested that something was possible that hadn't been given much serious thought before, and already there is a bunch of people all working together on the technical aspects of making it happen.
Dell ·
trogluddite wrote:
Dell wrote: I would love to help others and share some of my creations. Unfortunately, my experience with Synthmaker is less than a year.
Remember though, that sometimes it is the ideas you have for what you'd like to do that can be just as important - there are always folks around who can help with solving purely technical problems, but the programming gurus aren't always the same people who have the inspired ideas.
The interest generated by Philter5's recent threads about 3D interfaces is a good example - he suggested that something was possible that hadn't been given much serious thought before, and already there is a bunch of people all working together on the technical aspects of making it happen.
When something interesting comes across, which is beyond my knowledge I will not hesistate to ask. 🙂
Dell ·
How about a youtube channel so we can show those who are hesistant on the quality of Sythmaker compares to other plug-ins?
McBarGig ·
I have to chime in...
Probably the most important thing to help SM's reputation is the release of great plugs, and the support of them thereof. I know that I have seen errors reported about other plugs on the forums, and I could have answered and helped that developer support, his/her plug. However, I did not out of respect for the developer. Some feel it is required that they keep it quiet that their plugs were made in SM. Obviously providing support for known SM issues may give it away that it is made in sm, thus rendering a solid tongue lashing from the developer. I for one have not a care in the world whether people want to bash our plugs because the are made in SM...Simply put, its a lot easier to do the stuff we're doing using C++ than in SM, so in a sense the SM bashing is mute...Really... Try getting 6 convolvers and a head running at once using 30% CPU on a 2.4 Ghz single core with 768 MB of RAM.
-The quality of the plugs has to be there,
The solidness of the plugs have to be there.
That can only happen by developers who actually care...
When someone releases a bad plug, and I have in the past, it reflects poorly on all SM developments, Luckily for me, there is Andrew Jerrim, Oddson and Infuzion. These guys taught me by example and hopefully I don't release any more bad plugs. So, the point is, Educate the noobs, of which I still consider myself one, and help them along. The more great SM plugs that are released, the more everyone's plugs will be accepted. I am particularly impressed with DJBrynte. That guy came into here like a hurricane and was intent on learning...His new stuff is amazingly good. Thats all down to everyone who has helped him. So hats off to a great set of teachers..
What would be good is a forum where we can post about support issues we have with our released plugs..If I have a problem with something, most likely you are gonna have the same problem...It would save the searching searching, searching...and, would also provide a better support mechanism for developers to support their products..
Support is paramount...
Just my 2 cents
mwvdlee ·
I paid for the expensive license explicitely so I DON'T have to display the "made with synthmaker" line, so I sure as hell am not going to put it in my products (assuming I ever manage to finish and release one :P)
McBarGig ·
Yeah I have never put the logo in ours either, I have never hid or tried to hide the fact it was SM. I have explained at KVR and elsewhere that I use SM because it supports ASM and is a RAD tool. So for us, we needed to play catchup...Not anymore though, thankfully, I was getting tired of releasing like crazy. Now we can sit back and take our time on Releases and concentrate more on support and bug fixes. You cannot be commercial without taking support into consideration. Obviously, the more bug free your apps are, the easier they are to support. The biggest challenge facing us right now is Cubase 4 and 5, that is an issue that affects most of us. Specifically the Loading of presets from the Cubase interface...
And if people think that Cubase is not an issue, think again...For our users it accounts for 1 in every 5, so my thoughts are you all would have similar usage stats..
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