From the original SynthMaker forum (2004–2014), with its members’ names and dates.
djbrynte ·
i know i found some arp and trancegate before on the site. But i reninstalled pc and they r gone. Im just wondering if some one knows where i can find a nice trancegate and a nice arp. the trance gate and the arp should be very nice like nexus ones. or V-station ones. Not the same i know thats hard :P If anyone have some nice ones tell me.
MichaelBenjamin ·
there is a trancegate in the toolbox, this can be a good start. chackl posted an arp sometimes ago, but i dont remember how he called it.
Nu Audio Science ·
There isn't a trancegate in the toolbox there is a step LFO but that isn't much use either I have never seen an arp that works in SM Would be interested in how that works myself
NAS
djbrynte ·
i think i found a nice trancegate but the options it should have is those.
on/off mode length speed mix countour width (Draw)
if its possible.
hmm about the arp. U sure arps dont work in sm? isent sequencer the same as arp?
actually i find some reealy nice stuff... one from exo its an arp o.O
MichaelBenjamin ·
nas, depends on what you define arp. it seems you mean an arp is something that actually spawns a new voicechannel for each step so the steps can overlap due to polyphony created with a single note. not really possible in sm atleast not without green timing issues, yes, but mono arps that modify the current stream are basically what that step lfo is. only drawback is that the arp events cannot overlap.
Nu Audio Science ·
Yes but it isn't really an Arp is it ? I mean i looked at Exos arp and sure it does something arp like but it isn't an arp
Maybe i am missing something here but i couldn't get the exo arp to work with a proper envelope and stuff Guess im just not clever enough to get an arp working in SM
NAS
MichaelBenjamin ·
some control over voice spawning would be nice.
Nu Audio Science ·
I think i am just a little too used to hardware synths or something To me if you don't have full control over the envelope then it isn't an Arp but like i say that's just me
Personally i see Exos Arp as some kind of Key based step sequencer
NAS
djbrynte ·
ah ok il got it :P u use hardware 😀 hehe thnx for hte help anyways guys....
RunBeerRun2 ·
I've seen a few arps in peoples example osms, some with gates. Don't really recall the name of any of them.
You can turn the step lfo into an arp in a few ways, like in this osm-> I don't know if this reliably works, but it does work.
djbrynte ·
looks nice to thnx
Nu Audio Science ·
Sorry thats not an arp either If you where to put that into the schematic you could get it to move pitch up and down but that isn't an arp 😉 An arp will retrigger the synths envelopes too
Again i hope somebody proves me wrong but so far i have never seen an Arp made in SM that is useable And to be honest i don't hold out hope unless there is an events system at some stage but SM needs other stuff and getting even small new features is slow so i don't see an event system happening soon
NAS
TomC ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: Again i hope somebody proves me wrong but so far i have never seen an Arp made in SM that is useable And to be honest i don't hold out hope unless there is an events system at some stage but SM needs other stuff and getting even small new features is slow so i don't see an event system happening soon
NAS
If you go by the definition of Arp a step sequencer can do exactly this. Nothing more and nothing less. And there ARE several SM step sequencers around here.
What do you mean with "if you don't have full control over the envelope"?
Tom
Nu Audio Science ·
Ok so show me a step sequencer that stays in sync please and retriggers the envelope on each step
I am most interested in lookin at the schematic Thanks
NAS
aliasant ·
I have to agree with NAS. So far I havent seen anything i would call an ARP but a lot of different more or less programmable sequencers. I want an arp that works the way the old ones did and I guess its possible if you really know your way around code but for the other 99% of us its not really that simple.
I have a very nice programmable poly sequencer but its not an arp.
TomC ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: Ok so show me a step sequencer that stays in sync please and retriggers the envelope on each step
I am most interested in lookin at the schematic Thanks
NAS
I'm nowhere near a SynthMaker installation until next weekend (right now I have only a Windows 7 64 bit at hand, and I won't have the time to get SM running on that box right now. Dunno if it even runs on Win7), but if possible I'll have a look at the possible problems next weekend. I didn't look into my own step sequencer for quite a while so I can't tell from memory if (and how) it would be possible to build something like this. Maybe you're right, we'll see.
Tom
djbrynte ·
so will anyone post a nice TG and ARP :P
aliasant ·
djbrynte wrote: so will anyone post a nice TG and ARP :P
You will, once you have written it as a thanx to all those nice people here that is trying to help you learn how to learn.
djbrynte ·
ye i say thnx..... i learned alot from u guys allready but most from my self. I just havent learned the advanced part. I need this. If some one explain how i make the trance gate il do it ? or mybe the arp. but no one explain it for me. And i need good explenation in detail. Like add pitch like that put lfo there. But seems like no one will help me out.
nix ·
You can retrigger the envelope with a poly sequencer. You need to do a little mod on the envelope. I up here soon 🙂
djbrynte ·
thnx alot mate cheers.
TomC ·
Okay, finally found some time to install SynthMaker, and it runs smoothly on Windows 64 bit.
Nicely done, malc
As promised, a little step-sequencer goes arp HowTo in a nutshell:
- hold your steps in whatever format you like most, I used an integer array
- use the MidiEvent primitive to build your MIDI event from that. Of course some MIDI knowledge is needed, but in general it's simple
- throw your MIDI data into the standard MIDI to Poly module
- use the gate output from that module to trigger your multi stage envelope.
That's all. Really. I knew it was simple. Just don't (like me) forget a note off here or there 🙂
Tom
djbrynte ·
hmm thnx but its to advanced to underrstand all. I know alot in sm but not this 😀 i need a nice TG just 😀 an easy one
Sasu Honka ·
djbrynte wrote: ye i say thnx..... i learned alot from u guys allready but most from my self. I just havent learned the advanced part. I need this. If some one explain how i make the trance gate il do it ? or mybe the arp. but no one explain it for me. And i need good explenation in detail. Like add pitch like that put lfo there. But seems like no one will help me out.
Sorry to say, but seems like no one CAN help you out! Many people have tried, but nothing helps. I wanted to help but now I really have to give up.
TomC ·
djbrynte wrote: hmm thnx but its to advanced to underrstand all. I know alot in sm but not this 😀 i need a nice TG just 😀 an easy one
I don't want to sound harsh, but if you don't understand this your project is clearly too advanced for you right now. Start with something smaller and more easy, and grow from there. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Tom
djbrynte ·
okok what ever i found an trancegate 🙂 thnx anyway 😀
Nu Audio Science ·
TomC wrote: djbrynte wrote: hmm thnx but its to advanced to underrstand all. I know alot in sm but not this 😀 i need a nice TG just 😀 an easy one
I don't want to sound harsh, but if you don't understand this your project is clearly to advanced for you right now. Start with something smaller and more easy, and grow from there. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Tom
Actually you do sound a little harsh considering your explanation is weak at best What you explained anybody could work out in 1 minute and still get nowhere It doesn't explain things in detail enough to be of use to anybody and for an arp leaves out a vast amount of detail If you don't want to give more info fine But please don't talk down to newbs like you have done them a favour when you quite clearly haven't
NAS
TomC ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: TomC wrote: djbrynte wrote: hmm thnx but its to advanced to underrstand all. I know alot in sm but not this 😀 i need a nice TG just 😀 an easy one
I don't want to sound harsh, but if you don't understand this your project is clearly to advanced for you right now. Start with something smaller and more easy, and grow from there. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Tom
Actually you do sound a little harsh considering your explanation is weak at best What you explained anybody could work out in 1 minute and still get nowhere It doesn't explain things in detail enough to be of use to anybody and for an arp leaves out a vast amount of detail If you don't want to give more info fine But please don't talk down to newbs like you have done them a favour when you quite clearly haven't
NAS
I was a newb as well. I very rarely had to ask questions, because there's a search function and a useful Wiki. I started small and grew from there.
djbrynte already has started one zillion threads where he clearly showed that he has no glue what he's talking about, so it makes no sense to give him ready to use modules. He'd patch something together without learning much and the result will be one of those plug-ins SynthMaker has its bad reputation from.
The plug-in he is trying to build is NOW way above his head. That's okay. Give him time to learn and he will be able to build advanced plug-ins. But not now. You wouldn't be able to build a competitive Formula 1 car if someone gave you all the necessary parts. But you could learn how to build racing carts. And street cars. And with THAT knowledge the Formula 1 car would be possible.
If you think a little longer and deeper you'll recognize that I gave him the best possible advice to become a good SynthMaker developer.
Tom
Nu Audio Science ·
EDIT* You know what screw it I have had enough with the l33t attitude to even bother replying At least we still have some people round here willing to help and that's to be thankful for
NAS
djbrynte ·
ok. i get what u mean. i know i ask alot but its because i wana learn. Now the problem is just how i make a sync for the oscilator without the sync i cant have the arp. HMm but why are u so mad at me or sumthing. Would u guys be happy if i stop ask about those things? i actually google and search whole forums here. I learned alot that way. and some nice guys helped me out. nix is one of them and nas also helps me alot and oddson. Its like u want me to not success with this synth. And i know the thing in synthmaker. The synths lags abit i heard from someone. But im gona read this wiki about reduce file size and fix the cpu thing. And i know i cant make just a nexus synth first i do. But i can do sumthing similar. and mybe more fun because nexus is boring. its just finished sounds nearly. rombler. And if i know so much as u do. i should help all newbies in here. Im dont have same experience as u guys its why i wana ask and get help. ANd some things are pretty hard and over my head. Its why im asking to get that help and learn. But sry i can stop ask u guys. Think if the world was like this would have been world war 3. I mean u think pls nub go somewhere else and do ur nub stuff. Instead of helping and say ok im willing to help. THe thing is with the arp and the trancegate. A guy was posting an example of the trancegate. And he told me to search it up by my self. And i did it. And when i importing it to my synth the knobs is missing and the buttoms. I just what im gona do now this is little bit to much for me so im searching sumthing more easy TG. ANd i found one. Not so advanced but its little nice TG. ANd so what r u guys so mad at me on? i was just gona ask for help if u know any good TG and mybe if not. mybe u could help me give info how to make one. Instead of that u say why u try to make a synth why not go outside the door and and do sumthing else. Same answer i got from u nearly. Its like u dont want people to have fun u want them to fail im right? ok gl anyway with ur project self cheers johan.
and about the thing start with sumthing easy. THis is on my level. its why im doing it. Hmm its why im after an easy trancegate thats not to complicated but i also want it to be cool and good ofc. But ur right there Tom . I got ur point. Its not gona be some kind of nexus 3 :P but i have my hopes :P
aliasant ·
I have to agree with TomC 100%.
A lot of us here have tried to help, give hints, full osm's, modules, tricks and what nots but it just doesnt get thru. I would love for djbrynte to find that clue but for now I have given up completely. I think what just made the cup full was when, in the same sentence, djbrynte asked how to build an amp and how to build an arpeggio. It is like asking how to add 1 and 1 and then ask how to build the space shuttle. I dont think everyone is ment for this. Sure with lots of time and patience but mine just ran out Im afraid.
And as TomC said. I was a real noob and in many cases I am still but ... a well. You know. Sorry djbrynte. I dont mean anything by it, its just that I have spent hours trying to build very simple schematics for you to learn from and you havnt been able to learn anything from it.
Just had a look at that OSC you posted earlier today and . Well. It explains all this very well. Nothing in that very very basic osc works except you can change the waveform.
I have said it before and Ill say it again. Ask 1 (ONE!) well thought of question at the time. Solve that and then move on until you have a new problem you need help with.
djbrynte ·
okok sure i ask 1 question.... But anyway the osc i posted in registred forums works fine for me. Hmm. But show me where the full osm is u posted? i dont find anyone? mybe an very old basic one mybe? ah that VU meter. I made another one but thnx anyway. only one who posted osm so far is oddson. The other ones i searched up my self. ANd what is the trix in this thread? i dont find so many. the most thinsg in this thread is why try to make this synth start make 1 osc synth like that. and about oddson osms, i get exactually what he means so easy to understand its how i made my unison mode. and the portamento stuff and those kind of things is so easy. I dident think it was this easy its why i asked dude.
And last thing about the amp. I dident know how an amp works and what it realy was etc. i was kinda nubish i asked my friend on work who dont even make synths and he explained and then i learned all those in 5 min? so how u mean with that?
But ok pls show me where u gaved me those osms u posted? would be fun to see. Some of them must be for ages ago very eays ones that i understand good now. just wana see for my self.
and btw i can help u guys with design if u help me with things. i will help back with things i can do. But im still learning in SM i can make awesome designs. I mean backgrounds and stuff 😀
aliasant ·
Well. I did send you osm's a while back, last time you were active and also 1 a couple of weeks ago were I built a simple mod wheel schematic for you to learn from. You ask for help with that and I spent some time creating it for you and it seems it all passed over your head or something?
A well. Forget it. Its probably me that is the noob here not understanding what it is you need. Sorry I cant give it to you. Im just not capable.
djbrynte ·
ah sry dude i forgot that mod wheel it was nice 🙂 hmm ye but i actually learn from u dude. I remember when i started. And then u teached me i learned so fast 🙂 i was mega nub then now im more experienced its fun. But im far away from u guys. I actually just have 1 or 2 more things in my synth thne im finished. And then i will be low for while 🙂 hehe. Sry for my bad english i have ADHD and dyslexi its why it looks like this efwergertgbtrgfbcvfhvbcnved when i wright sumthing. :/ anyway if u help me with this i can be willing to help u with design my design is very good. But not the knobs 🙂 backgrounds is my speciality on synthmaker makign cool vst design 😀
Anyway the 2 things i need help with is i have an arp that i want. I trying to connect it. no sound coming. i connected the gate from the midi poly etc to the arp and fro mgate to sync on osc. Still not working.....
last thing is just the how to make legato on portamento. Its all the thinsg thne im finished with my first synth 😀 not first but the one i will give out 🙂 i think so :P Hmmm i wish u guys the best anyway. peace. I know what u mean i ask so much but its because i dont understand i have handicap in reading and i have hard understand things and i have stomach problems when u bleeding and stuff chrons but worse. So pls dont be so hard at me i dont mean any bad at all im just up to learn and wana make cool synths its my life from now i dont even care in girls any more lol 😀 O: its wierd but true synth take 24/7.
TomC ·
djbrynte wrote: HMm but why are u so mad at me or sumthing. Would u guys be happy if i stop ask about those things?
I'm not mad at you at all. Really.
I just want to help. And my advice is to start slowly. Study the included example synthesizer. Make small(!) modifications (one at a time) to see/hear what they do. This way it's much easier for you to understand what's going on, and you don't need to ask much questions. You may not want to hear this, but it is by far the fastest way to learn, even if it looks slower for the first couple of days. Just believe me.
Tom
Sasu Honka ·
My apologies to all involved. Sorry for these quotes, but this same thing goes on all over the forum. These quotes are from different threads and not necessary in right chronological order. This is actually my rant!!
djbrynte wrote: im made a synth. I added a pitch for the synth its some kind of pitch modulation. And i need a decent guy to check this. i dont spread out my synth to evrybody 😕 so if u wana help i send it by hotmail or sumthing. And btw i dont know if its the program or the synth
Anyway the problem is now when i play with the pitch on the sound, it sounds so retarded. I mean it changes tone and make the thing. And when i delete everything in the synth its still the same. And when i delete the pitch its good again. And then i change to the other pitch. The orginal pitch. It works. and then i delete that pitch and use my moded one it works ? i just lol is it this program or is it the synth ? i need a pro here. i will give credits for the help. so pls need help now.
Nu Audio Science wrote: Post it in teh registered users area It's very trustworthy in there Only registered users of SM will be able to see it and i don't think any of them would rip you off
NAS
djbrynte wrote: dont wana spread the oscilator out 😀 ok anyway i post the osc here. its nothing special with it but its ok i like it.
if anyone feel for help me add sync to it. would be nice i dont know how to do this 🙁
EDIT:sry i allready found how to solve it 🙂 hmm i checked it up in some threads 🙂 but thnx taking ur times.
That is great! You already found how to solve it:) I spent about an hour of my day just trying to figure out your osm. But no worries. It feels good to solve something yourself, doesn´t it! 😉
djbrynte wrote: Anyway the 2 things i need help with is i have an arp that i want. I trying to connect it. no sound coming. i connected the gate from the midi poly etc to the arp and fro mgate to sync on osc. Still not working.....
Lots of debate about what is an arp and what is not here.
djbrynte wrote: i fixed the nice arp that i want 😀 )
That is also good! I just spent many hours trying to guess what kind of arp everybody is talking about. I still don´t have a clue. Could you please show a screen capture, osm, video or example.
Sasu Honka wrote: djbrynte wrote: ye i say thnx..... i learned alot from u guys allready but most from my self. I just havent learned the advanced part. I need this. If some one explain how i make the trance gate il do it ? or mybe the arp. but no one explain it for me. And i need good explenation in detail. Like add pitch like that put lfo there. But seems like no one will help me out.
Sorry to say, but seems like no one CAN help you out! Many people have tried, but nothing helps. I wanted to help but now I really have to give up.
Nu Audio Science wrote: EDIT* You know what screw it I have had enough with the l33t attitude to even bother replying At least we still have some people round here willing to help and that's to be thankful for
NAS
Yes, I was tired and, yes I did surrender too soon. Thanks NAS for making me see that. But what did you do to help djbrynte? I know you tried to say that an arp can´t be done, but what good was that. I guess you were tired also. 😮
RANT OVER! I´m back! 🙂
[old link]
Here are a couple of posts on that thread combined for you. I used couple hours of my time to try and guess if this is something that you have requested or not. I am a bit worried to do it like this. You have made some progress yourself. But I am more sad for seeing people upset. So here is something. I hope this will help you learn.
djbrynte wrote: im just up to learn and wana make cool synths its my life from now i dont even care in girls any more lol 😀 O: its wierd but true synth take 24/7.
Yes its true:synths take 24/7/52/X! You can ask my wife! 🙁
And I am happy for you learning.😀
And I am happy there are even noober ones than me so that I can try to help! 🙂
Phuh! Out of my system the dark side now is! 😇
Sasu Honka ·
Now that I have ranted and cooled down I must apologize to you NAS.
I guess you have sent djbrynte many PMs and helped him in silence.
I think djbrynte should move his project where it belongs: in projects.
I used parts of Exo's and Alisant's osms in the example osm in my previous post.
Happy SMing:
Sasu Honka, SMnoob.
Nu Audio Science ·
Doesn't matter how i have helped DJ B to be perfectly honest My point was that people shouldn't be bitching at him for being a newb and pulling the age old crap of "Learn it for yourself" Some of these guys round here are naturally inclined to this stuff and have no difficulty learning it Some are not and as far as i am concerned they get disrespected way too quickly round here for being excited and posting a little too much
The whole point to SM as far as i am aware is to make this stuff easy I mean thats why you aren't learning C++ and doing this the hard way right ?
Anyway the attitude towards DJ B is kinda the final nail in the coffin for me I will carry on building stuff for fun in SM while i continue learning C++ but i have lost a lot of respect for some people the way they act towards overexcited newbs cause that is all it is OVEREXCITEMENT "Look what i can do"
NAS
TomC ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: Doesn't matter how i have helped DJ B to be perfectly honest My point was that people shouldn't be bitching at him for being a newb and pulling the age old crap of "Learn it for yourself"
I wasn't bitching. I was always polite and tried to help. And I never told him Learn it for yourself. I just told him to learn to walk before he tries to run. Our whole education system is based on that, so it can't be entirely wrong. There's a reason school does NOT start with Fast Fourier Transformations but with adding single digit numbers. You need a base understanding of what you do before you skip to the next level. Of course you can do it the other way around, but the learning process will be MUCH slower. What I don't understand is the problem YOU have with that, and where YOU found I (or we) did disrespect djbrynte.
Tom
Nu Audio Science ·
Hey if you can't see it then i must be wrong So forget about it
NAS
MichaelBenjamin ·
i dont know what it is but its for sure not only overexcitement. and what is over? do you set a threshold for excitement? as for me i am not mad at anybody, why should i. if there are too much questions, i simply stop responding because i cant do everything at the same time, not because of ignorance or being mad. and when the questions additionally repeat themselves, seem to go back and fourth, and overlap topics in an irritating way it is very hard to give any answers. so, for a question to be answered in an useful way it needs to meet some criteria. for example if you ask "why is all this?" it is impossible to answer, besides answering that it is impossible to give any answer.. ok the more pre-chewed the question is, the better it can be digested. so all these raw questions shattered over the place are just a bit too much to handle and the art would be to communicate that with djbrynte without getting angry at his person.
djbrynte ·
ok guys we drop this this is my fault. I will stop ask so much just. I know i asked alot. But i wanted to learn next time i post i post 1 thing instead of 10 things 🙂 so sry. But anyway if anyone want help with design. i could help u. Im good at this. Just tell me what u need 😀 cya cheers johan.
aliasant ·
Good call Johan 🙂
Lets start fresh.
And it would be intersting if you could show us an example of what you can do design wise? Maybe post something for us to have a look at?
djbrynte ·
sure dude i post it hwen i come home. Im at work now but i can post some examples. I upload some pictures. Just one thing its so wierd my photoshop act so wierd when i export as JNPG the image quality looks so damn crap. Hmm duno why. But i can take screenshots 😀 ok i post examples when im home i made some virus backgrounds just for fun. I know i cant use them of copyright stuff. But i can show u what i can do and i will be glad to help u with design on ur synths. Im currently working with nix but i can help u guys with design if u need im actually going pohtoshop study but its so easy hehehe i allready can that stuff 😀 i see my thing is realy design...
Sasu Honka ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: My point was that people shouldn't be bitching at him for being a newb and pulling the age old crap of "Learn it for yourself" Some of these guys round here are naturally inclined to this stuff and have no difficulty learning it Some are not and as far as i am concerned they get disrespected way too quickly round here for being excited and posting a little too much
Before accusing anyone for bitching, you should really look at the all the help that has been given! It's not " Learn it for yourself" it´s "Learn the basics so that you can get to the fun part with SM" time and time again. You can not give keys to a truck to a person learning to ride a bicycle. You have to tell him how the brakes work!
Nu Audio Science wrote: The whole point to SM as far as i am aware is to make this stuff easy I mean thats why you aren't learning C++ and doing this the hard way right ?
I have learned Finnish, English, Swedish, a bit of Spanish, Basic(the programming language), Assembler, Pascal, Fortran, C, C+ and now I´m learning SM and I know that you can´t go to advanced level before taking time to learn the fundamentals. I was a programmer 20years ago, I may still have to learn C++, Java or Python, but now I just want to have fun with SM!
Nu Audio Science wrote: Anyway the attitude towards DJ B is kinda the final nail in the coffin for me I will carry on building stuff for fun in SM while i continue learning C++ but i have lost a lot of respect for some people the way they act towards overexcited newbs cause that is all it is OVEREXCITEMENT "Look what i can do"
NAS
I admit that I gained a lot of attitude myself, I am an overexcited noob also you know. I tried to help, and then this:
djbrynte wrote: But seems like no one will help me out.
That was the final nail in the coffin for me. There were literally dozens of replays.
I have HUGE respect for everyone who are REALLY trying to help us overexcited noobs! You are one of them NAS, so are also Tom C, Alisant, Exo, Nix and numerous others, you all know who you are. Thank You! 😀
@djbrynte:
So have you had time to study my osm? Is it helping? Do you understand what it is doing? Did I understand your question?
Peace everyone! Sasu
Sasu Honka ·
It seems we are getting nowhere here if we do not define a trancegate.
Anyone care to post an example of a trancegate. A link to a program that has it or something.
This is what I found:
http://www.acmebargig.com/trancegate/
and I think that the osm I posted is quite close to it.
Sasu
stw ·
interesting thread in many aspects 😉 . Just one word to the asking and bitching thing. Sooner or later it had to come to the point when people begin to act and write emotional controlled. This was quite obvious since johan began to spread his asking and posting all over the forum. Regardless of his right to do get as many infos as possible to go his way this always isn't a good idea to act in a forum. Latest at the point where it started to become annoying that johan either wasn't capable or interested to follow the hints that have been given his "over excitement" should have been directed to other targets than the forum (maybe his own brain by simply trying things for more than one hour...?) That IMHO could have been a good time for a moderator to come in. A brief and kind statement of someone official can relax things way before anyone becomes angry or starts "bitchin". That's what i do in other boards as Mod or Admin. Maybe that could be an option for similar situations in future.
just my 2 cents
and sorry for beeing OT
djbrynte ·
ok can we now start talking synths pls 🙂 not mean to be idiot but this talk is boring. I know the point what u guys mean. I will think on it next time so i dont post many thread. And things like that. Im do not want people to be mad at me or sumthing, i just wana learn SM and become a great designer and synthmaker. And i will be willing to help others then to.
Sasu Honka ·
So my try of cooking up a trancegate has been loaded 5 times. Does anyone know is it a trancegate or what is it?
I am interested to know if I am completely off the mark. 🙂
Sasu
nix ·
So according to that a trance gate is a step LFO that modulates volume. Does that sound right? I know the VST CamelSpace is a great sounding trance gate, but other stuff is bundled up in that one too. Cheers 🙂
Jay ·
I have to agree with a fair bit of what NAS has to say about this place! I've been hanging around here since 2006 or there about and i really think that this forum has become a sad shadow of its former self! just look around! hardly many people bother to post except for the usual suspects mostly.Why is that? I reckon its because of the reception people get when they do make posts sometimes. there seems to be this elitist culture around here where if you don't speak dsp or are not in in the gang then you get ignored or made a fool of. there are many good individuals around these forums like NAS,Oddson,Andrew j to name a few who put in many hours helping and making things but mostly its dead space around here!
I cant think where these Elite attitudes come from since this is hardly a professional IDE.
Act elite when you can churn out fantastic softwares done in the proper way and not with a toy!
Outsim needs people like DJB and its a certain few people round here that are screwing Synthmaker into the ground and driving newbies away.
Community my ass.
Regards
djbrynte ·
i fixed that nix bro ;:P glad u help me mate 😀
Sasu Honka ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: Sorry thats not an arp either If you where to put that into the schematic you could get it to move pitch up and down but that isn't an arp 😉 An arp will retrigger the synths envelopes too
Again i hope somebody proves me wrong but so far i have never seen an Arp made in SM that is useable And to be honest i don't hold out hope unless there is an events system at some stage but SM needs other stuff and getting even small new features is slow so i don't see an event system happening soon
NAS
This is the thing that NAS has contributed to this thread, he repeated it many times. It makes an important argument, it seems an arp is undoable with SM at this stage. But is this helping DJB!
Jay wrote: I have to agree with a fair bit of what NAS has to say about this place! I've been hanging around here since 2006 or there about and i really think that this forum has become a sad shadow of its former self! just look around! hardly many people bother to post except for the usual suspects mostly.Why is that? I reckon its because of the reception people get when they do make posts sometimes. there seems to be this elitist culture around here where if you don't speak dsp or are not in in the gang then you get ignored or made a fool of. there are many good individuals around these forums like NAS,Oddson,Andrew j to name a few who put in many hours helping and making things but mostly its dead space around here!
I cant think where these Elite attitudes come from since this is hardly a professional IDE.
Act elite when you can churn out fantastic softwares done in the proper way and not with a toy!
Outsim needs people like DJB and its a certain few people round here that are screwing Synthmaker into the ground and driving newbies away.
Community my ass.
Regards
Couple of questions to you Jay. 1. Is it elitist to point a noob to do just the tutorials on the wiki to learn how to connect a lfo to a gate? 2. Who has required anything over just SM tutorials? 3. How many hours have you spent to help DJB? I have used at least 10. 4. How does your post help DJB?
On the other hand I have to admit that you have a point. Very few posters here considering there were over 3000 registered members at the time of these posts.
Sasu Honka wrote: It seems we are getting nowhere here if we do not define a trancegate.
Anyone care to post an example of a trancegate. A link to a program that has it or something.
This is what I found:
http://www.acmebargig.com/trancegate/
and I think that the osm I posted is quite close to it.
Sasu
Sasu Honka wrote: So my try of cooking up a trancegate has been loaded 5 times. Does anyone know is it a trancegate or what is it?
I am interested to know if I am completely off the mark. 🙂
Sasu
Only Nix cared to answer! Thanks Nix! I looked at CamelSpace and think I was not completely off.
I have absolutely no use for an arp or trancegate at this moment, I do this just to help a fellow noob. Here is my new take on trancegate just for DJB. Parts used from Alisants and Oddsons posts. Filter gives clicks but I am only doing this as an example. Those of you who need something like this should do the rest.
Please do comment, and discuss, but maybe the ones accusing likes of TomC being elitist, should also post something to help DJB themselves. 😉
Sasu
Nu Audio Science ·
Erm yes i pointed out that an arp couldn't be done properly and guess what Other than Tom C claiming it can be done and then posting nothing nobody has posted an arp have they Exo made one you can find on the forum somewere but it is more a MIDI triggered step sequencer/Arp thingee than a traditional arp
OK 1 A traditional arp takes the notes being held on a keyboard and plays them in a particular sequence (up/Down/Up-Down) and so on Maybe this can be done but i have not been able to achieve it in sync in all situations (Otherewise i would have posted it here for DJB )
2 A trancegate is very simple and cuts the volume at steps defined by the users The big mistake most SM devs make when creating a trancegate is that they make it synced with playing notes and not synced to the host Also there are specific ways to sync to the host that will stay in sync Use the proper method or a trancegate will sound shit it is as simple as that
Am i helping DJ B by posting that arps cant be done Well quite probably yes otherwise he may spend more time trying to do something that simply isn't possible
Perhaps some of the "He posts too much in too many places" people should take a hard look at this forum It isn't the most overused or riveting or excited place in the web is it The most excitement we have had round here in recent months is a bunch of pr0n that everbody lost it at again We don't get many updates from the devs and it is very rare when exo or Oddson drop one of there bombs anymore (Lets be brutally honest here those two guys kept this f***in place alive for many years by posting uber cool stuff) If DJB can't see that posting the same question in different threads isnt getting him answers from clever people like micheal then he is losing out seriously Because at the minute although he doesn't post very much micheal is one of the main support guys around here and has helped me many many times So in terms of who DJB should listen to yes he should take micheals advice seriously because that is one guy whos help i personally couldn't live without much like Odd and Exo
Now get over your little selves and either help the man or STFU Non and i mean NON of you have the right to decide if he posts too much or too often or whatever And any complaints about the mods not doing there jobs should be pointed at the admins not spouted in threads on the forum If you think you can do a better job at modding the place then contact the admins and say so because i will tell you now the mods only tend to get involved around here when there are profanitys involved and we tend to ride a very wide line of offense which has served us all well up until now
If you think that is wrong then go ahead contact the admins
NAS
Sasu Honka ·
Ok NAS, nice to see we didn´t lost you too! 😍
Nu Audio Science wrote: Am i helping DJ B by posting that arps cant be done Well quite probably yes otherwise he may spend more time trying to do something that simply isn't possible
NAS
I thought also that this was very helpful and should have been enough about the arp thing.
Nu Audio Science wrote: 2 A trancegate is very simple and cuts the volume at steps defined by the users The big mistake most SM devs make when creating a trancegate is that they make it synced with playing notes and not synced to the host Also there are specific ways to sync to the host that will stay in sync Use the proper method or a trancegate will sound shit it is as simple as that
NAS
As I said, I personally don´t need a trancegate and am only interested in helping DJB in this. Do you know how to use the PPQ-primitive.
I have spent too much time with this already. I just need to know what that primitive outputs. I don´t have time to make and test a VST in a host. So if anyone has anything syncing to host PPQ, please post an example, I can do the connection in couple of days.
Have to go earn my living. 😉
After all, it´s all for music! 😀
Sasu
sunsynth ·
I get old... isn't arp the abbreviation for arpeggiator ??? If the answer is yes: search found 45... chackl and ali's mods resulted in a good one - i think!
I get sick of it ...
I love this forum
& it's boring...
nothing more 2 say/write
P.S: This was and is THE most helpful and friendliest forum - DOT Every newbie in SM acts like a child who tries to learn walking and the SM-drug gives u the rest (german slang):
Give me Nexus-Knobs, build me a compressor, how can i make exactly this sound in that song, I wanna build a Synth like NI... What is a float, how looks the divider-sign/key
If anybody takes this personal: Then u are not using SM often enough to be stoned from it like me 😉 🙂 😍
djbrynte ·
hehe ok :P
TomC ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: Erm yes i pointed out that an arp couldn't be done properly and guess what Other than Tom C claiming it can be done and then posting nothing
Dude, I tell you something: search for arpeggiator, use whatever you find, and apply what I posted earlier. It'll work. I've spend an hour digging through my archive to find the coding where I did it and to post the principles here. For everyone to use. That's more help than most other people get from me.
And don't say TomC claims things and posts nothing, I've posted enough coding here in this forum or in the Wiki to prove otherwise, so you should know better. But bear with me that I don't post coding I actually make some money with.
BTW, did you notice that djbrynte handles this thread quite well and actually learned something from it? The only person who still spreads some bad karma is you. Think about it!
Tom
Nu Audio Science ·
Bad karma yeah sure
NAS
Sasu Honka ·
Ok. Here goes. Maybe this is something like it.
Intentionally unfinished. Very dirty design. Filter clips nasty. Works. Syncs at bar start. and tempo. SeqSection is Aliasant's, I have messed it up pretty bad. Synth part is Oddson's. Modulation and sync mine.
Sasu Edit: Most of my modifications are inside the Seq module. Here is the sync part:
You have to make a VSTi from the osm and use it inside a host if you want to test the sync because SM is not generating PPQ.
djbrynte ·
cool man 🙂 il check this out 🙂 looks nice :P
Just a tip i think u should have in this forum. I have seen in many other froums they have reputation that u can get when u help people out. Like in other forums people can give another guy +rep when he helps another guy. Like if i think sasu honka helped me now i can give him +rep. Andi t shows like icons there u see the reputation. Its a good system. Then it feels more important to also help people out. U get reputation from it 😀 its just one thing i think should be cool to have 🙂 what u say? It would just be cool i think.
Sasu Honka ·
Thanks for the kind words DJB.
On the topic of arp(eggiators) I am sad to say that I do think NAS is on the right track. The timer system of SM is not up to it. It has been shown here that you can make something similar to an arp, but you can not time them accurately enough to be very good. You can mangle MIDI quite extensively in realtime, but if you need some sort of (sample)accurate delay, you are out of luck. That is the nature of SM. There are some workarounds that you can go, (the dethreader for example) but nothing reliable.
Here is how Oddson describes the problem on another thread:
oddson wrote: AngularMomentum wrote: Or creating a MIDI note event with a timer/trigger delay started by gate or trigger. Pitch should be easily converted into MIDI note keypitch values.
Technically you can keep track of MIDI events yourself and then send them after a delay in green but:
1) Stock timer still doesn't work with a MIDI event trigger so you have to use one of the workarounds 2) It would involve green timing so the actual timing will not be rock solid under the current event mechanism 3) you would have to keep arrays of events in some form of first-in-first-out array system and you'd have to associate an input time with each so that it could be compared with the current-time (i.e. if input time + delay >= current time then recreate the MIDI event and fire).
So it's doable but not worth doing for spotty timing.
I'm getting really sick of writing forum posts with the phrase "current event mechanism"! 🙁
Could not agree more!
But DJB. you can use some of those examples given of found in the forum so that you can go on with your project. Just be warned that they are not sample accurate.
One of my projects has been on hold for over 2 years because of this problem. I just need a way to have 2 sampleplayers play one after another controlled by MIDI in sample accurate sync. I still can't make it happen.
If anyone can show me how to do that, then maybe an accurate arp is also doable.
Sasu
djbrynte ·
ah ok but its ok with that one u posted its nice 🙂 thnx alot dude.... +reputation for u 🙂 but we have no such thing 😀
djbrynte ·
im trying to find a nice sequenzer/arp for my synth now. Hmm i saw exos arp and tryed to import it dident success while doing it :/ need some help with an arp thats easy to import dont need to be best arp ever just some simple and good with many modes. :P if its possible thnx guys.
djbrynte ·
Actually i find the arp in this thread must have missed it its nearly in the first post. And thnx guys for everything. And sry aliasant for my stupidity but I realy think my synth is special 🙂 but mybe not for you because ur highskill pro. And im newb lol. Then all become awesome ^^ Thats why i got so upset. But u guys probably right i need to learn to build it right from the ground. Its good if u guys have tips and hints and critism for my project so i know what im doing wrong and the good stuff. But i actually wana make a 6 osc synth. Thats the idea. But i learn alot from everything. Its just my english isent the best So everything is just big mess nearly. So when u guys explain sumthing for me u nearly need to explain so easy as possible and detailed. Example (connect the LFO to the FILTER/cutoff) like that. Thats how i understand mostly easy. But i nearly finished now wont take all ur time guys thnx for the help i allready got. Thnx sasu and aliasant for the trancegate who finaly works when i dwownloaded the updated version that sasu edited. And thnx for the Step LFO arp from BerRun2 what now hes name is. ok cheers guys peace and take care next time i ask sumthing i will need to think. And explain in proper english. And not mass things in 1 thread. cya guys gl hf and take care.
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