SynthMakerDj-Grobe ·
Please add multitouch support. Wndows 7 is on the road and support multitouch devices. In the market HP AND DELL tablets already support multitouch and more comming this year.
😍 😍 😍 😍
Multitouch support?
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infuzion ·
Sounds like a great idea, but I'd learn C++ if you need this right away, since I requested mouse wheel support & 64 bit audio like 2 years ago & still haven't seen it.
infuzion ·
Multitouch is indeed the future: http://zedomax.com/blog/2009/04/04/surf ... expo-2009/ http://ssandler.wordpress.com/ http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/04/20/sm ... indows-pc/ http://www.dell.com/content/products/pr ... dio-one-19 http://www.metacafe.com/tags/multi_touch/ http://www.tuio.org/?software http://nuigroup.com/ http://www.baekdal.com/future/User-Expe ... face-2009/
Dj-Grobe ·
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/prod ... u=320-1172
Multitouch for the masses !!
: )
rl ·
glossy display, multitouch: bring your window-cleaning set. 🙂
Dj-Grobe ·
The best way and easy way to add Multitouch to SM is with TUIO
http://nuigroup.com/forums/viewthread/4087/P0/ This great tool, it sends Windows 7 multitouch events events to TUIO clients.
If malc add tuio support whe can use any device multitouch available right now in the market , example, , NEW DELL ALL IN ONE STUDIO COMPUTER WITH MULTITOUCH SUPPORT, DELL XT, NEW DELL LCD, HP IQ TOUCHSMART, HP TX2X TABLET, LENOVO 200 TABLET. All this devices and incoming devices use 2 touchscreen sensros, one is N-TRIG capacitive sensor, and the other is the optical sensor from NEXTWINDOW. Basically adding TUIO support we have multitouch in easy way with all devices on the market, all incoming devioces PLUS, wimote multitouch device, and webcam multitouch devices : )
Another goog point is for test and work with TUIO, malc no need buy any multitouch device input, for test he can use multiple mouses simulating multiple touchs using this: http://multipointtuio.iamhigham.com/
Another way to implement multitouch in SM is with the multimouse SDK from microsoft:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... 9644ce0f9b
I think this can be easy way, buts is a wrong way, due somebdoy should write driver for pickup multitouch events form windows 7 and emulate multiple mouses.
TUIO is the way MALC please add TUIO SUPOPORT : )
Best regards.
Pablo
Dj-Grobe ·
LOL, check this !! MULTITOUCH LCD FOR JUST 299u$ tHE MULTITOUCH IS FINALLY HERE FOR THE MASSES : )
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm ... g=en&cc=us
sunsynth ·
Damn, i should have bought this baby instead of my new 24"...
Thank's 4 the info DJ-Grobe!
...and YES i need multitouch for my projects 2!
cheers, Walter
Dj-Grobe ·
I investigate more and discover in the next 20 days absolutly all brands form around the world launch one multitouch model....
Dell Acer HP Samsung list is very large.......
This is from SAMSUNG, available at the end of this month. LD220Z
With multitouchs lcds available at low prices, this can be awesome feature for SM : ) I stay 100% sure atract to lot of users.
infuzion ·
When I was seeing how cheap the new multitouch monitors were to by last month, I was thinking, "SM would be so easy to make a DJ mixer/VST controller... except no mulittouch" 🙁 Then again, I'm still waiting for mouse-wheel support also.
Would you guys be willing to give up a few new features for a while (like lockable modules) to have multitouch the top new-addition priority?
aliasant ·
infuzion wrote: When I was seeing how cheap the new multitouch monitors were to by last month, I was thinking, "SM would be so easy to make a DJ mixer/VST controller... except no mulittouch" 🙁 Then again, I'm still waiting for mouse-wheel support also.
Would you guys be willing to give up a few new features for a while (like lockable modules) to have multitouch the top new-addition priority?
Lockable Modules is very very important for SM but multitouch is up in the same league I guess. Hard to choose between them.
Dj-Grobe ·
Lockable Modules is important but not generate more SM sales............ With the storm of multitouch fever on the road, multitouch feature generate more sales to SM, high number of developres , djs etc etc, can be attracted. With more sales probbaly they can put more time on SM. Really can be good if malc repply this post.
I have to decide now, if continue on SM, or move to another framework. I think Malc is very bussy in the last weeks, really can be good know if we see multitouch or no on SM. Anyway if malc accept, i think we no see this features for months........ Finally i think i have to move to another framework, but port the aplication can take months........ 😕
rl ·
Naw, don't change priorities here. Ya, know, the most important feature is an SDK, followed by sample accurate timing, a mem input for the code module and a fix to the stereo Wave Write/Read Bug ((fixed:) Problem with Mem Create/WaveWrite/Wave Read) 😉
Dj-Grobe ·
I agree, SM need better timing, and probably with SDK, multitouch can be added programing external.
I just comment if multitouch is added to SM right now, that attract, more users, and that generate more SM licence sales. If that really happen that can be great !!! probably MALC can pay to other developers, or dedicate more time to SM,etc etc
What i see is SM is a little freezed, and year by year, all the next steps are little and more slow. I feel if this continue on this address............soon we see the end of SM.
Really want read the opinion of malc about all this.
Anyway i think i finally move to MAX-MSP and restart with my project from 0, but really like see SM not end life soon. SM with adition of some things can be better than MAX-MSP......
i start learn C right now, and contacted to malc for offer my help etc etc, but never have any answer...... malc is very bussy working in other things non related to SM, and i understand that, the only way he can dedicate long time if if he earn really good money with SM. and that probably not happen form some time ago. (this is what i think, this no is confirmed information)
Realy be good if can read something directly from malc............. About multitouch, i need that, and i really think that generate nore sales due in the next months we see really big storm of lcd with multitouch feaure for windows 7..........
Dj-Grobe ·
LOL i downloaded MAX MSP version 5 and frameworx for windows 7, easy to work the problem is the graphics lol. I think in max msp its impossible create great GUI like in SM !
LOl i can stop love SM, i think for that reason i never moved to MAX MSP 😈
infuzion ·
Dj-Grobe wrote: What i see is SM is a little freezed, and year by year, all the next steps are little and more slow. I feel if this continue on this address............soon we see the end of SM.
Anyway i think i finally move to MAX-MSP and restart with my project from 0, but really like see SM not end life soon. SM with adition of some things can be better than MAX-MSP......
malc is very bussy working in other things non related to SM, and i understand that, the only way he can dedicate long time if if he earn really good money with SM. and that probably not happen form some time ago. (this is what i think, this no is confirmed information)
Malc told me in a private email that he is full-time SM, but I think some of that time is for private emails, license support, running the website, dealing with FL-SM, etc.
I suggested before to Open Source SM or atleast part of it to let more people work on it for a Mac version, OSC, Video, multitouch... more or less everything Max/MSP has but SM doesn't.
But then, SM is about a
Dj-Grobe ·
Yes, i stay 100% secure the major trouble is the money, exactly for that reason i think SM should have TUIO support, that increase the licence sell.
I understand perfect and acurate time is needed, i know, when SM have accurate timing i can add lot of things to my software, i really need that, i really love create step sequencer : ) SDK add more fexibility to SM. MAC port is one of that things really increase a lot the sales, but the work needed is really BIG and take long time. I defend multitouch not only due i have direct benefits from that feature, i think that feature increase the sales inmediatly, probably im wrong, but the multitouch fever is coming right not like anybody see before...... : )
sunsynth ·
I just saw a Chip with enables to use all 10 fingers on a display...
There is always something better... 😀
infuzion ·
As much as I'd love Multitouch, I think 95% of the DJs & music producers use mouse &/or MIDI/USB controllers exclusively. About half use Macs at some stage... so shouldn't that be a higher priority? Where are your numbers for proof Dj-Grobe?
aliasant ·
I too would really like multitouch. i know my little drum machine would love that. What a live app it would be but this would be new tech for SM. A new part that needs developing maybe from scratch?
Lockable modules are much closer to a reality i think.
Imagine us being able to upload almost anything from small codes to full plugins and app as lockable. We can start sharing them, grading eachothers if we want to, beta test schematics were the secret parts are locked and what not.
This would make SM a more living community. Maybe not emediatly but after a while new users will find that very very attractive. Similar to SE maybe but much much better. In SE only a few bright minds made modules that others could find and use. In SM this would be something that everyone can participate in. And our brightest minds here will find it much easier to share their secrets and tricks. I see so many advantages in this. Of course we will also see some bad modules floating around but nothing is perfect.
Multitouch for sure is the future and I would love it but I think its better for Malc to take his time on that to make sure he releases something were it works well from scratch. Its a new thing. At least I think it is. Maybe it is much much simpler then I think and if thats the case... ?
Dj-Grobe ·
infuzion wrote: As much as I'd love Multitouch, I think 95% of the DJs & music producers use mouse &/or MIDI/USB controllers exclusively. About half use Macs at some stage... so shouldn't that be a higher priority? Where are your numbers for proof Dj-Grobe?
My nubers of proove, MonoTouchLive, im developing and selling that software for the last years, and see how really high amount of guys want multitouch for my software, and really high numbers askme lot of times, how you builded.......i answer with SM, support multitouch.........NO...and they go to MAX MSP or flash, or java, or NET, or WPF, and that aplications, except by MAX MSP, the others, not are apropiate for build MIDI controllers. Lot of that guys just abandon the project when not understand MAX MSP....
Basically we need features make SM more popular for increase the sales, and this is one. Why increase sales? simple, continue reading i explain later...
I think your words are correct, yes...... but with SM you can build our own MIDI controller, and trustme you have super faster access to some things with controller in comparation with mouse, specially for LIVE work, in the studio probably with only a simple mouse you can do all, and i know in other areas mouse not is remplasable yet, i know. With MonoTouchlive, you can do lot of things more faster than a simpe mouse, and with version 3 i have some surprises make just one finger super usable !
For just 299U$ you can buy in USA multitouch 19 inch screen.....you can buy my midi controller like my software builded 100% under SM for just 299 and control Ableton, Traktor, and more comming...... or you can buid your controller with SM, or anyone can buy any MIDI controller created in the future with SM.....what? yes !! ......if multitouch is available on SM, lot of developers want build multitouch things with SM, just check youtube, put something like multitouch, or multitouch midi or multitouch controller. And back to you tube and make the same in just 3 months when all that new cheap LCD with multitouch feature available, reach the market...... probably you dont know about that new LCDs
The more expensive here http://www.pablomartin.com/?p=361 The more cheap here: http://www.pablomartin.com/?p=397
Acer launch one soon, and samsung launch other in just 30 days.
Just check youtube, or google and check blogs and you can find amazing number of guys building multitouch midi controllers under flash.........what is really no apropiate tool for to that. Just think in number of new developers can be atracted to SM.
Is the prfect moment, for have multitouch feature available, now, not in 6 months.
And another good point........at this days very high amount of producers use Ableton live.......whats up when Ableton launch in just few days MAX for live.......... take your conclusions...... The plugin market have to support big impact of MAX for live...... I just thinking in a multitouch like a feature can bring fresh air to SM sales.
For anyone dont know what is max for live, just check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDJdq3WlLdc Ableton not is the only one producton tool, but year by year consolidate like the best option, but right now dominated the market and that not change in the comming years.
SM need open the horizont to new and fresh roads, and trustme multitouch is one of that.
About port to OSX...........mmmmmm
This graphics no is exact , and is prior of windows 7. I use macs for long time, but after windows 7 start act from scene i migrate to 7, the reason is very simple, win 7 act like OSX and feel like OSX and is amazing stable, is realy the best OS in the history of Microsoft. I use windows 7 prior public beta and never have just one truble on my live sets is stable like OSX.
Anyway, reduced number of Djs around the world use OSX in comparation of Djs with windows OS, that is a reality, and dont forgot i are one of that guys push a lot of OSX version, i think you know that. I not plain back to OSX, anyway port SM to OSX can represent really high amount of new licences selled, that is other reality. SM guys really see the improvement in profits , and any developer of SM can see the same, just due can offer plugins or standalone aplications for 2 plataforms, win and osx. OSX support multitouch..........why no start work right now with multitouch? : ) The problem to port SM to OSX requiere amazing work, is like rewrite all SM from scratch and for do that i think SM guys need find some way to increase the sales and put more coders to work......that is other reality!
Lockable modules really help to share, and is great and really needed feature for some guys for improve SM comunity, but please be honest and understand that feature not icrease the sales inmediatly, anyway i think MALC can do that really faster, i no think is a feature really complicated, and i stay sure is under development right now : ) Anyway dont forgot, any kind of lock can be cracked in minutes.........the feature is needed but can be vaporware very soon due any lock can be cracked and specially if for some reason (multitouch feature can be 🙂 SM turn in more popular software soon. I not are super FAN of this feature, due if you really want protect the source code and lockable modules can be craked........you have to think 3 times, before share anything you really no want share. THIS is the major big reality of lockable modules.
Things like multitouch, modules for control serial ports (usb included), parallel ports, tracking webcams, external utilities writed for SM for do any of this things like in MAX etc etc, can be awesome, and that are the things make MAX MSP be used for large amount of users...and dont forgot is really expensive, compared with SM. Really amazing numbers of university and students from around the world use MAX MSP in absolutly strange and creative ways. Imagine SM + Arduino !! : ) or just controlling parallel port...........USb etc etc!
From the first day i start work with SM i dream with the day all this thngs can be done from SM. Sm is 1000 times more easy of understand of MAX MSP, the GUI created from SM no have comparation with any other software, MAX, Puredata etc etc.....
Finally......one more important thing............Accurate timimg!!! 😮 Accurate timimg, is really needed, with timing fixed SM can increase the horizont to unlimited frontiers, and right now is a big barrier for create large list of advanced things. The problem of this feature is probably need rewrite high percent of SM code, if not all SM from scratch and that take long time. Imagine tomorrow Malc, launch a new version with suyper accurate timming......that really not increase the sales, is the reality and for large list of simple things we can continue waiting a little more for accurate timming....or no?
Sorry guis for hard push for multitouch, but i stay 100% convinced this feature increase SM sales in just few weeks after is available when the world see the first projects on YOUTUBE builded form SM !! SM eran more money, that finally help to all comunity, for have all what we need !! For that reason i push very hard for this, not only due this featre benefit to me only. I worked right now under MAX MSP testing multitouch framework, i can just leave SM and buy MAX, and work with max,.......yes is hard i need work form scratch etc etc but that no is the real problem with MAX, i just feel SM have really more power hided............and good lord !! the comunity of SM is just awesome !! All what i learn about SM is from Malc, and from the SM comunity, : )
whatever! i love SM !
And please check this, i think is one way to promote SM, and really think help!
The comunity can help to SM : )
Infuzion, i not think in multitouch like aislated not usefull feature, is really a big fever around the world, now is the moment, in 6 months when MAX MSP support that in native and easy way........will be too late. Multitouch for rotate pictures is really stupid thig lol, i think that, but in the audio production or controll is where this technology have the big potential.
That is my point of view! and please sorry for my english, i try improve day by day..... but not a big progress like can see. 😉
Best regards !
Dj-Grobe ·
Aliasant wrote: I too would really like multitouch. i know my little drum machine would love that. What a live app it would be but this would be new tech for SM. A new part that needs developing maybe from scratch?
I think no need wrote all from scratch, mouse modules nno need changes for support multitouch. Only one module is needed for multitouch the AREA MOUSE The rest in SM no need changes. If new AREA MOUSE module can detect the events and asign in correct way ....vuala!! (in french) its done ! We have multitouch available on SM
Probably im wrong but due the modularity of SM, i think work perfect just with new AREA MOUSE module support multitouch.
About the protocol, i sugested TUIO, due all devices can use TUIO ,but with third-party drivers , for that reason probably no is the best way, probably the best shold be use native windows 7 events, due in the future that is what subsist and probably TUIO disapear, and aditonal to that, is possible send multitouch events from any tuio device to windows 7, exist a driver for convert any tuio event to windows 7 events. Right now i stay convinced native windows events is the better way and not TUIO, i think on that way after discover is possibla transform TUIO events to windows 7 multitouch mouse events with Third-party software. And all new cheap LCD with ultitouch use windows 7 native events.
Anyway, any project already created need remplace the current AREA MOUSE, with new multitouch module.
infuzion ·
Oh please, I don't know what it is like in your country, but atleast half of the pro studios in the USA run OSX (though they may also have a PC), & larger-than-internet-average of semi-pro/serious-amateur use OSX as well. Half of the DJs use Apple laptops here in Denver, as do more than half of the film/video studios I've personally visited. I'm done arguing about Mac %.
Yes, many who want multi-touch can afford Max/MSP. Most amateur home studios can't/won't. Flash isn't good for audio interface since it has worse problems about keeping in sync (their frames are variable, & very difficult to influence.. I've studied Flash all summer).
I do hope multitouch is part of SM in the future, as well as a dozen other features.
BTW, Max/MSP already has more users than SM. MaxForLive will just widen the gap.
Edit: I requested for mouse wheel support (which should be much easier than multitouch) 3 years ago, & it still doesn't exist. Don't hold your breath for SM-Multitouch. If Max/MSP5 had VST support, I would jump over there.
MichaelBenjamin ·
just as a side question: what kind of benefit do you expect from mouse wheel support? its just that i never missed that in any plugin i have used.
Dj-Grobe ·
Half of the pro...and the other half??, and the non "PRO" users?
Infuzion, that super PRO studios, probably and usually not use plugins builded from SM, not use SM, and if they want MIDI touchscreen controller . they never think on my software and just buy Jazzmutant lemur for just 1999U$ or Jazzmutant DEXTER for just 1519U$ 😈
Sorry but you just put your eyes in that what some guys thinks "is needed to be a PRO", and for me that is old history. Im thinking in a millions of users produce music at home with windows, and then sell from online store, or just produce music never be released, or are djs, or just newbies , hobbyist etc etc and they use windows, in that market of the not super PRO.......... windows rules, and in the other half of "PRO", windows rules.....and that is the reality, its just simple, windows dominate the market, and with non "PRO" users......what with do with they?.......just ignore and imagine no exist? Sorry but you have wrong vision of the real market, and aparently you think the real market is only one, or probably i not understand your point of view.
Anyway if you think you need a MAC for be a PRO, that is other older discusion and i really no want start with another discusion I'm PC, I'm MAC.............. 😀 I just use MAC for years due is a really solid system, super stable, just for the stability, not due i can do things on MAC cant do on windows, probably that happen years ago, now you can do the same on OSX or Windows. Now i use windows 7, just due work like a solid rock and im very tired of spend high amounts of money in APPLE computers, why if can make the same on windows and now with really stable OS ? My software is used in live stages of very important Djs from around the world, some of they are famous, other no and run in windows, or other run my software in tablets with windows, and send MIDI ver lan to MAC, is very easy and usefull, like here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlU6AqHE ... r_embedded probably you know this guy is from Houston Texas, he use my software for long time. Now he use Dbeat, all in one music workstation with windows, from Openlabs, http://pablomartin.com/?p=290
I dont know if im wrong, but just based on the price of SM, is very easy to see the focus is on masive users, and no in that PRO segment.
Anyway, i really want see some day SM port for OSX ....why not, that Increase the market of SM, and the market for developers using SM, but need rewrite all the aplication from scratch........and the only way to do this and other features and lot of features usually requested by all users is with more sales and more coders.........no other way....
I stay 100% secure multitouch is a new feature can help to SM with sales, and that is one thing create benefits for all SM users.
Infuzion, i no want offend to you with my words, please apologize if one of my words cause that, remember my native language is spanish, and my english no is the best and express what i think some times is very hard for me.
Best regards.
Dj-Grobe ·
Please check complete video:
http://www.multitrackstudio.com/version ... ouchscreen
I dont think all things showed are really usefull, except when he use the screen like an instrument and for some specific things, for the rest i think mouse is better, one clear exammple of bad imlementation of touchscreen is on thsi same video where for increase or decrease KNOB, need make circular movement, lol where should be more easy and usefull just drag up and down, is more easy movement and you see where is the knob, (not have hided with your finger). I think this developer really sell more copys of software from now just for this features, and YES not all things showed are really usefull....but is another example for see where everybody start move.
infuzion ·
Dj-Grobe wrote: Half of the pro...and the other half??, and the non "PRO" users?
Infuzion, that super PRO studios, probably and usually not use plugins builded from SM, not use SM, and if they want MIDI touchscreen controller . they never think on my software and just buy Jazzmutant lemur for just 1999U$ or Jazzmutant DEXTER for just 1519U$
LOL true that. And I have to confide that I believe that Windows7 will draw more people to Win over Mac for semi-pro music production since it is very stable. But for my specific market (live DJs) it is very heavily Mac laptops.
On the other hand, learning C++ with Juice just for a MIDI interface should be one of the easiest things to learn C++ for.
I dont think all things showed are really usefull, except when he use the screen like an instrument and for some specific things, for the rest i think mouse is better, one clear exammple of bad imlementation of touchscreen is on thsi same video where for increase or decrease KNOB, need make circular movement, lol where should be more easy and usefull just drag up and down, is more easy movement and you see where is the knob, (not have hided with your finger).
One thing that I weighed for looking at multitouch for my own DJ GUI, is that there could be serious RSI issues. It would be OK if you use the screen for knobs & sliders you adjust occasionally, but not using 100% so yes a mouse could be better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscree ... _and_usage
Dj-Grobe ·
infuzion i use MonoTouchLive form the year 2006, and no have any troubles, the finger strees and other fisical troubles happen if you remplace your office keybard and mouse by touchscreen.........understand?
That problem happen when you make continuous and permanent usage of touch screen after hours and hours and after days or weeks, and specially if LCD is placed in vertical position.
I think somebdoy playing the piano for hours everyday have torubles too, or every body scratching with turntables, and mixing for hours and our, or anyone paying the guitar too. Any thing we use for hours cause stress to our human body.........mouse , keybaord, etc etc etc
With any lcd placed in horizontall position or at 45 degres can reduce ergonomic troubles. Anyway i not imagine surfing the web 2 hours with just touch screen that is ridicle, and touch no is for that right now, no until the GUI of OS and programs change.
Under the area of MIDI control, touchscreen is 1000 times better that mouse, you can do lot fo things take long time to do with mouse.............anyway mouse never is 100% replaceable, not at this moment, and the reason is very simple, complete OS and software are originally designed for use MOUSE.
About adventage of touchscreen: Example, open ableton live, put 6 track with 6 clips inside, and then make this with your mouse, drag the slider of track up, then play clip, then, repeat the same with the other five tracks and try do all this super faster..... You can do with touch screen the same around 10 or 12 times more faster, in comparation with mouse, and im talking about no multitouch touchscreen, singe touch screen.
No have ableton live no problem, imagne this test, imagine computers with graphic on the screen with 12 square boxes on the screen in this position
1----2----3----4 5----6----7----8 9---10---11---12
Imagine you have 2 machines, one with mouse other with touch screen, now the boxes show light in the numerated cube in random way and you have to push the light when is on, inmediatly after you push te button, other light ON in other numerated box button.. The user who complete more number of boxes pressed after 10 secodns win!
Who you think win?
Now repeat the test, but you no have more that big boxes numerated, now you have 12 numbers very separated on the screen.
1----------------2----------------3---------------- 4
5---------------- 6----------------7----------------8
9---------------- 10---------------11--------------12
Again repeat same sequence and check the time used bye the guy with touchscreen is reduced more.
You no need touch screen for repeat this test, just make in more easy an simple way, pres over the numbers withyour mouse in this order 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Then make the same with your finger over your screen : ) make your conclusions...... and dont forgot this simple experiment just is about simple click buttons, add sliders, knobs or complex objects and you have better results with touchscren, no matter you use just single touch, then, just add multitouch in your imagination and again make your conclusions......
The real bad point of touchscreen surfaces, is very simple, you not have real fisical objects, for control the objects, buttons, mouse, slider, you need put your eyes around what you are doing. With real sliders buttons knobs, you have tact feedback in our fingers. Thsi is the real bad point, but due with software you cna create any interface , the limit is your imagination, the adventages of touchscreen midi cotnrollers are really big in comparation with this bad point.
With correct interface you can do things absolutly more faster with touchscreen, in comparation of mouse and keystrokes from keyboard.
For permanent home studio , write text etc etc , mouse and keyboard are the best, but like control in real time on live stage or studio , mouse really have limitations.
When i pay large live set of 6 hours, i think of all that 6 hours, i just touch the screen no more of 15 minutes or little more if i join every second i touch the screen across that 6 hours. Under live situation and under studio situation, some things like drag sliders or knobs, or push buttons are better from touchscreen or any MIDI controller, and not from mouse, if im are wrong nobody from the world use MIDI controllers and everybdy continue using only mouse.
I learn a lot of things about touchscreen and touch GUI after few years working on that : ) Believe me touchscreen potential is really awesome, and we just start walk in the bigning of new big change.
For finish, check this nice concept of multitouch and the near future.
http://vimeo.com/6712657
And not is really super futuristic, ayone with any mac with multitouch support feel and see all this very familiar this can be a reality very very soon, i really think we things someting like this in the next tablet device Apple launch in just few months.
Multitouch is the way for lot of things and shuld be present ASAP in SM.
Best regards.
sunsynth ·
i want this con10uum 😍
Good points DJ-Grobe!
U know I'll second that!
We need multitouch support! We need multitouch support! We need multitouch support!
Dj-Grobe ·
sunsynth, what you think should be better, native multitouch support for windows 7 or directly support TUIO?
Im testing TUIO and is awesome !
sunsynth ·
I think direct TUIO support would be great!
But until now i have to wait for a good MT-LCD-Screen and will buy it when it's on the market here in Germany!
For our Midi-Controllers and my biiig Mixer project this would be really awesome!
Even when the trend is 2 more control via Hardware (like i do now with my old UC-33)...
Dj-Grobe ·
I think TUIO ts more flexible, and represent inmediate increase of sales to SM licences. All multitouch surfaces from around the world use TUIO, and new LCD from ACER, Dell, HP and Samsung can work with tuio. Really be great isten to MALC with some word about all this. I really want know if all what we need is a new AREA MOUSE module with multitouch event handling : )
I start building my own multitouch tablet with IR, i use new metod nobody use, its simple and no expensive to build. I put some pictures i think at the end of the next week, annd share some info for anyone want build one : ) Its really easy, no expensive, work with LCD, not requiere modification or change of the LCD monitor, Just need one PS3 EYE CAM, 3mm ir leds 840nm, patience and you can build your own unlimited touch surface. The great point is you no need make any change to the LCD monitor : )
sunsynth ·
Awesome man...
I can hardly wait!
Keep on doing!
Dj-Grobe ·
I continue thinking in TUIO and i think in another adventage of TUIO. If synthmaker support tuio, you have the mouse runing in absolutly independence of the touchscreen device.
Example:
If somebody use this for run controller like MonoTouchLive or mixer from Sunsynth SCM-1612, or any new kind of audio or midi controller you can run one software in the main screen of your notebook-dekstop and the controller in the second screen. The second screen is the multitouch LCD or TUIO compatible multitouch device. Using tuio , we have the mouse runing always in the main screen where you have runing the DAW or dj software, with absolutly independence of the TUIO events runing on second screen and coming from mutitouch device. In this way when you use the touchscreen device, the mouse continue working in the main screen : )
Aditional to that Malc just only have to write TUIO client can send in the output of that module exactly same data MOUSE AREA have in the out.
I think implemnt this just take relative short time of experments and test, so basically is just TUIO MOUSE AREA module for convert TUIO events to standar mouse event and the use with teh standar mouse modules inside SM. Hoppe Malc read all this large post.
infuzion ·
OMG Grobe, you're still on this thread?!? Go learn Flash, C++ or something. It took almost 4 years to get lockable modules, & it is still under development. Don't hold your breath for multitouch pleaaasssse.
Dj-Grobe ·
Implement TUIO AREA MOUSE module is really more easy in relation of lockable modules........ 😈
Hey infuzion , if you have time for check all what i write about multitouch on this post, please take few minutes for read this wonderfull short story from Isaac Asimov, called "The Last Question", is really wonderfull story. Not fear !!! this short story not have relation with multitouch jjijijij Please read! Best regards.
http://www.pablomartin.com/?p=322
infuzion ·
Dj-Grobe wrote: Implement TUIO AREA MOUSE module is really more easy in relation of lockable modules........
Maybe if you can find some free (or cheap cheap open source, since "open source" often requires payment for commercial projects) for multitouch C++ for MS VS it would make malc's life easier, like this link: http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/WindowsTouch
Dj-Grobe ·
I already sended to malc lot of links like this. Im posting here due probably somebody form the comunity can send more info or links or ideas, like right now you did it with this link. 😀 Aanyway i repeat, (sorry for repeat over and over again) making module can convert TUIO events to AREA MOUSE, that is all what SM probably need for support multitouch and is really more easy way......... only Malc know if really is more easy. I continue investigating and always when i find new info, i send e-mail to Malc. Thankyou infuzion for your contribution with this link : ) im not really secure if this is one i already sended to MALC or no. Sorry for insist with TUIO, i find more powerfull due can make SM more compatible with large list of DIY projects around the world, and that is really great point.
Dj-Grobe ·
MULTITOUCH !! MULTITOUCH !! MULTITOUCH !!! 😍
AND PLEASE MOUSE WHEEL FOR INFUZION 🙂
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