VST/i host.

infuzion · 23 Dec 2008

Hi NM, welcome to SM.

noise_maker wrote: is it possible somehow to load vsts to synthmaker?

It used to be possible, until VST companies complained people could steal their VSTs that took 100s of hours to create, use SM to skin their VST, & the skinner could resell/bootleg the stolen VSTs.

There are too many good hosts out there now anyhow. A few them open source.

Tom7777 · 23 Dec 2008

Yeah, also i don't really see why anyone would want to do this, it's not like you can usually use a vsti without a host anyway plus most hosts support vst effects chains etc or energy ext etc would play multiple synths together etc and hosts like cantabile are great for chaining vsts.

noise_maker · 23 Dec 2008

infuzion wrote: Hi NM, welcome to SM.

noise_maker wrote: is it possible somehow to load vsts to synthmaker?

It used to be possible, until VST companies complained people could steal their VSTs that took 100s of hours to create, use SM to skin their VST, & the skinner could resell/bootleg the stolen VSTs.

There are too many good hosts out there now anyhow. A few them open source.

I have a solution against stealing: SM won't allow to export a Vst when there is a Vst plugin inside the project, it will allow to save only osm presets in this case.

what do you think? Can Malc do something like this ?

ps - thanks for the welcoming 🙂

Tom7777 · 23 Dec 2008

Yeah that would be a solution or just have a very basic vst host built inside that only loads the vst externally and can send parameter presets, but the only thing im thinking about that is it could only add to the load time problem more which is currently making people avoid SM to begin with unless they do the split dll idea infuzion had and it worked ok. I still don't see why really though as a pure coded vst host would always be peoples choice over a SM or SE one etc due to host problems, cpu, load times etc.

noise_maker · 23 Dec 2008

I agree with you about the loading time, cpu killer, bugs etc... But this feature is a must have for me, because lots of my sounds take hours and even days to create, I want to save those sounds in one ultimate preset.

I also hope that soon enough there will be a Morph Bank (snapshot/preset morphing) in SM, this is the feature (+vsts loading) that will complete all my needs for the ultimate presets. - something like KORE2's morphpad or AudioMulch's metasurface, I personally think that audiomulch's metasurface is the best XY controller in the market these days. I really hope this is doable. did anyone think about this already in the SM community?

Loading vsts + SM modules and other features + Morph bank = the most powerful synth ever!

Tom7777 · 23 Dec 2008

You should look at cantabile it's got all that stuff -

http://www.cantabilesoftware.com

You could just make a synth and then effects and chain them with that you can save global presets or for each unit, randomize and preset morph. In SM i imagine you would have to get the float values of all controls for 2 presets and fade between them, possible but i find with moving arrays SM slows down a lot, so untill things get fixed efficiancy wise imo it's not worth adding loads of fancy features really plus thats something one could make with the morph thing, search for wavetables not exactly the same but the crossfading/morph thing is covered and gives a idea of how to do it. The VST thing of course would have to be coded in with a new loader module or something though but i can't see it happening anytime soon and theres also a load of requests that haven't happened and other dev based things which is why i suggest that host as its fast, efficiant and works with basically all plugins just how you described so maybe check out the demo or something. 🙂

noise_maker · 23 Dec 2008

thanks for the informative replies. I guess that I will have to wait untill the day that I will be able to completely leave Reaktor behind SM.

I use reaktor (for 8 years already) because it is more stable and I'm used to it, but when SM will have these features, but more important - with more stability, CPU friendly and bugs free) I will trash reaktor without thinking twice.

ps - thx for the link.

Tom7777 · 23 Dec 2008

Np, Yeah i also use reaktor which makes things super fast for randomizing/morphing sounds, i use cantabile like this now for my VST plugins, and SM to make vsts but i usually use coded ones more and just chain them, a big plus i find with cantabile is that it gives you wet and dry amount controls which a lot of plugins seem to forget for some reason, the host has just had a new release and is sort of beta but works great here and theres a forum over at KVR now and updates seem fairly regular, i used to use it to test things with but now i use it all the time for that and sound creation which i record to audacity as samples. Reaktor is more of a super synth imo where as i think of SM as a dev package, reaktor is more efficiant at the moment though unless coding, but hopefully things will improve and the devs have done great things so far and it's great for learning etc too.

Edit -

And by the way if it's just a external VST loader then +1 vote but more important things should come first imo.

infuzion · 24 Dec 2008

Tom7777 wrote: ...but more important things should come first imo.

Yes, there is a long list of IMHO higher priorities. But I do also like the idea!

Keep Reactor; you can't release VSTs with it, & I don't see SM ever having a Kore-like VST loader system. Major bugs in SM will be squashed soon for sure. Feel free to port Reactor modules over to SM though 😇

I can never get Cantabile to work properly on my systems; I gave up on it. 🙁

Tom7777 · 25 Dec 2008

Yes, there is a long list of IMHO higher priorities. But I do also like the idea!

Yeah definately, development seems so slow recently though after the FL thing happened (cough), but i really hope things pick up again and some of the older good ideas start happening.

Keep Reactor; you can't release VSTs with it, & I don't see SM ever having a Kore-like VST loader system. Major bugs in SM will be squashed soon for sure. Feel free to port Reactor modules over to SM though 😇

If anything gets ported from reaktor i hope the maths side of stuff to ASM modules as theres things not covered in SM. Major bugs getting squashed? do you mean that one i found malc said was a big one, if so i have come across stuff like that for years and they seem to come back, i think if people send in reports like i do though with the steps and actually check it before posting it then it's alot easier for Malc to fix or figure out the cause. Regular and new bugs part of a modular app really the problem is nobody really sends them in i guess, i have been doing it for years now mainly through emails just like that one i posted, plus i havent been using SM as much recently but i found that one within a few mins, i don't mean to be a jerk but i very much doubt that will sort SMs bugs issue, hopefully i will be suprised though.