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easyisdead ·
hey!
I want to do a synth with an sidechain input. for testing out first steps I just took the synthmaker synth which is showing up as example at the startup and gave it two input modules. I just lead this input modules to a scope to see if somethings coming in.
I want to try it in ableton live 7. I load the synth vst and a kickdrum in an audiotrack which I want to route in the synths sidechain inputs, but I cant find the sidechain inputs in the option list of the kickdrum tracks outputs...
do I have to give the inputs a certain name so that hosts which support sidechaining recognize them as sidechain inputs?
I would be very grateful for any help or links to this topics, as I found nothing yet in this forum!
greets and a nice evening to everyone!
easy
Nu Audio Science ·
Sorry i dont know Live too much at all
It is maybe that Live does not support sidechaing in synths just FX
I know it isn't the best at hosting VSTs
What you have done will work straight away in a host with limitless routing like XT or Reaper
In XT you will have a modular view that looks a little like the schematic view in SM
In Reaper you use sends and recieves much like a mixing desk does
I use both and what you are trying i do all the time with no issues at all so i would guess it is like i said that Live doesn't support sidechaining instruments 🙁
Just download Reaper it is uncrippled and only asks you if you would like to pay the $50 for non commercial use after thirty days
It's pretty much the comer at the minute in the DAW world and its chief coder Justin is one of the cleverest coders around 😉 (Just look up Justin Frankel on google to see how big an impact he has had on the internet as a whole)
There are plenty of other hosts that support this too but i'm just trying to get you set up with something you can basically have running for free to do your tests
Hope this is at least a little help
Good luck on your college by the way 😉
NAS
easyisdead ·
Hey NAS,
1000 thanks! the reaper tip was totally dope! it works there, I got my synth prototype playing and it receives audio from another channel via its sidechain input. now I can start developing the internal routing!
Do you know about other software this should work ? I will use reaper now for my test environment, but for documentation I need more infos bout hosts which support VSTi sidechaining. I guess the new cubase & nuendo host support...Live 7 seems only to support for VSTfx.
does anyone now more about VSTi sidechain suporting hosts ?
thanks and a chilled sunday to everyone!
easy
Nu Audio Science ·
As long as you can send MIDI to VSTFX in Live you just save your instrument as an Effect 😉
Then it will work
I can't give you a definitive list of supporting hosts but here are some anyway
XT 1
XT 2
REAPER
Synthedit
Bidule
Podium
Usine
There are more but im not sure which
Interesting sidenote about REAPER though
As far as i know it is the only host that can sidechain anything
Since the last couple of releases you can take any audio signal and use it to control anything on a VST
Very clever stuff 🙂
NAS
easyisdead ·
thanks again! according to my post in the kvr forum samplitude 10,totally modular & audiomulch should do it too.
maybe you can help me out getting started, as I am new to modular synthesis...my idea is to use the sidechain as routeable input to different parameters in the synth. e.g. to the filter parameters, oscilators detune, volume etc. --- for testing the input I already route the sidechain to a mono2float component and this value to the filters cutoff. sending in a loop it already works rhytmically. 🙂 but the values coming in from the loop are quite messed like something between -0,3 and 0,2
1. do you know any tutorials or posts concerning the processing of audio level to use as a parameter control signal ? I guess I mostly need it converted to values between 0 - 1 .
2. to make it routeable to the different parameters I need a routing matrix I guess, theres one in synthmaker can I use it for my purpose?
a good start in the week to everyone!
easy
Nu Audio Science ·
You might want to send the incoming audio into an Envelope follower and then use the output from the envelope follower as your modulation source
I think that would do what you want
NAS
easyisdead ·
yes cool! the envelope follower seems to be what I need. it gets values between 0 and 1 when connected to a poly stream. the sidechain input is two mono inputs, so I need to convert the monoinputs in a polystream somehow to get the envelope follower running with it.
to control values like the filter cutoff with the incoming audio signal I need float, is there a poly to float module? havent found one...I just attached my current test osm file. if you switch on the waveplayer playing the loop and then press a note on the keyboard you should hear the loop modulating the filter cutoff...maybe that helps to see what I want to do.
laters,
easy
easyisdead ·
NAS, just got it going with the env. follower and the mono2float comp...thanks again!
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