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mutantdog ·
I use a few SM plugins with Ableton Live 7 and Novation Automap.
I've noticed that quite often when i open a SM plug in Live it fails to open the GUI properly, if its the Automap version all i get is a black box where the GUI should be, if its the normal version i get a transparent box. Once this happens with one SM plugin it happens with all of them, unless i close Live and start a new session, even then it may happen again. It seems to be worse if the project i'm using has a lot of stuff going on in it, but that may be a coincidence.
I dont know if this is a problem with Live 7 as i dont recall it happening with 6, but then i only really started using SM plugs not long before 7 came out and i wasnt aware they were SM-made at the time.
Anyone know of this bug and any way for me to get around it? I'm not a developer, just a user, but i am fond of the SM plugs that i use.
electrogear ·
I've posted a similar problem here:
After load trigger
Cheers
infuzion ·
How does Live7 work for you with OUT using any SM plugs please?
mutantdog ·
Mostly fine. 99% of my plugins are freeware and i've had a few probs with some of the SE ones (multiple instances) but nothing like this. I dont know if its related to my hardware, im using a dell inspiron6400 core2duo1.8ghz, 1gb from about a year ago (cant remember the rest of the specs). im sure it has some relation to whether or not the project has a lot in it, perhaps could be a ram issue..? i'm not much of a PC expert really.
Live isn't exactly the best VST host, i know, but i do love using it to write in and this issue is a pain in the arse for me.
malc ·
Are the SM plugins you're using your own creations? If so, does the problem only happen with them or do you get the same with others (our example synth would be one to try)?
I have Live 6 here but not 7. I will have to see if I can get hold of a copy.
mutantdog ·
Not my own, i've been using Alieno, Pitch Black, Uniretro and Anna aswell as a few of the Atomsplitter Fx. Same problem with all of them. I dont recall it happening much (or at all) with Live 6, although my projects have become a lot more CPU hungry in the last few months since i've had 7.
infuzion ·
mutantdog wrote: ..I dont recall it happening much (or at all) with Live 6, although my projects have become a lot more CPU hungry in the last few months since i've had 7.
Turn off "high resolution" or whatever it is called; Live7 added 64 audio processing, which means 2x the CPU for those (built-in) plugs if you have the 64bit on.
mutantdog ·
thanks, i'll try that, any idea where that option is? although i was actually referring to my own tendency towards more complicated tunes with more effects (mostly third party) over the last few months. drum racks have changed the way i make beats a lot. also too much routing in Live means it wont let me freeze much either.
malc ·
I've tried with Live 6 and I haven't seen any GUI problems. I'll see if I can get hold of a copy of Live 7 and try that out. Is it very easy to reproduce - what do I need to do?
Thanks.
mutantdog ·
err, it seems to be kinda intermittent. like i said though there is deffo a link with high-cpu projects and SM plugins.
probably say the best thing would be load up a few drum racks, fill em up with sounds, route them to a few other channels and try and fill up your project with some other freeware VSTs and you'll be somewhere close to some of my recent projects. i dont know if it makes a difference but i almost always have at least one instance of ZebraCM in my tunes and CamelCrusher gets a lot of use too.
Sometimes the gui loads up when i first insert the plugin but if i save, quit, restart Live and reopen the project it doesnt.
also yesterday i tried to open alieno and had the usual problem, only this time the step-sequencer bit at the top showed up but nothing else. the more i think about it the more i think its a problem i've had since getting Live 7, as i used alieno quite a lot since last years KVR contest and i dont remember it being a problem before.
I checked that high resolution thing and i already had it switched off aswell.
infuzion ·
What versions of alieno & other SM plugs have you & are you using? Different plug versions = different SM versions.
Try rolling back to earlier Alieno versions, & make that your only VST.
Also, perhaps if there isn't enough CPU, the host or SM delays the GUI loading to save CPU (or doesn't have enough CPU to do so).
mutantdog ·
as far as i can tell, they are all latest versions. pitchblack and anna are both relatively old though, i'll see if i can find an earlier version of alieno and do a comparison.
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