FL SONG FILES

infuzion · 12 Dec 2007

BALTHOR wrote: Fl Studio is the very best in VST.

Really, why is that Balthor? Is FL the most stable, easy to use, best sounding?... I'd like to use this information to recommend FL to others.

BALTHOR · 12 Dec 2007

For me FL Studio is very easy to use.The construction of FL is very deep in VST design.Remember that the modules in SM contain all of the digital instructions necessary for the operation of the construction.In other words I see the function of a reverb unit as contained within the reverb module itself,the module doesn't extend outside of itself to function.This is digital design and any SM VST construction could be flashed into a ROM chip to become a hardware synth.FL does have some problems though.It is difficult to real time record--there is a trade off with their buffer length setting.You can have fast attack and no clicking,when playing,or a sound that has a full freq response,but not both.It would be interesting to see their design.Their Direct Wave sample unit does not save as SF2 files.Fl produces sound right away,most VST hosts don't.SM is going to be in FL as a dashboard/plugin probably soon.Did you listen to my FL MIDI file productions--FL is very good at duplicating a million dollar studio.

infuzion · 13 Dec 2007

Thanks for the insights! Sorry, I don't own FL; I already own 3 commercial VST hosts, & barely use 1 of them.

BALTHOR · 13 Dec 2007

FL studio has a free demo download at Twocows.The program is really a must see for designers.I'm wondering if FL is a SM construction,their buffer legnth looks and acts like a delay to me.

http://www.fruityloops.com/

Nu Audio Science · 14 Dec 2007

FLS is written in Delphi and has been around longer than SM 😉

NAS

BALTHOR · 14 Dec 2007

I see Delphi as more like a script interpreter.You could look at a module with a script interpreter and see the command lines in the module from that script interpreter's perspective.Script is mouse and key moves.I do not see Delphi as a program language.Delphi is that code stuff.I'd put my money on FL being an osm file.

ARKZERO · 15 Dec 2007

hi Balthor im afraid you will find that Nu Audio Science is right in what he has said about FL Studio! as to what is used to write this fantastic piece of software i cannot comment but i can tell you that its first official release was in 1998 and then it was a simple midi only drum machine app! i have been using FL since that time and have watched it grow and develope into the wonderful full studio it is now! i have almost every version there is and most wont even run on my ultra modern setups i have now! even though,i do keep some old pc`s just to run these and a few other old apps just because its fun to do so 🙂 please check out the link below for a complete history of FL studio

http://www.flstudio.com/documents/history.html

kindest regards

ARKZERO · 15 Dec 2007

Hi guys here`s alittle bit more info on the fab and groovy FL Studio 🙂

i can now confirm that Nu Audio Science is absolutely right in saying that FL is written in Borland Delphi here is another link to some more info that confirms this very fact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FL_Studio

awe da very best

kindest regards and a very Merry Christmas to all you SM Staff,Mods and Users! hope santa is good to ya all 😀

ark.

BALTHOR · 15 Dec 2007

Script is not used to write software.It is all done with modules.Wikipedia is not a definative source.Anybody can type whatever they want in Wikipedia.

tention · 15 Dec 2007

BALTHOR wrote: Script is not used to write software.It is all done with modules.Wikipedia is not a definative source.Anybody can type whatever they want in Wikipedia.

And everybody can type everything into SM Forums...

If Script that is interpreted or an application that is compiled, every structured programm is software, everything is build more high level depending on several SDKs, dlls or APIs.

Nu Audio Science · 15 Dec 2007

Balthor FL is written in Delphi end of story If you dont believe Delphi is capable of this that is your problem no one elses The original version of EXT was also written in Delphi and so where some very fine VST plugins If you would like to see some other stuff written in Delphi you can check out toby bears site

Delphi is not just some scripting with an interpretor it is an object oriented coding language that is as powerful as C++ but not available on as many platforms I believe it is now possible to find ways to do it on Linux and Mac but C++ has much more options on those platforms making cross platform application building a better reality

NAS

BALTHOR · 15 Dec 2007

For me code ended up to be a mislead and a waste of time.I suspect that what is called code in SM is a virus attacking a module.For all of my statements I usually try to post an example.Perhaps you could do the same.

TomC · 16 Dec 2007

BALTHOR wrote: I do not see Delphi as a program language.

You've got absolutely no glue what's a programming language. Don't worry, about 95% of mankind don't know. It doesn't matter as what YOU see Delphi, but it is by definition a programming language.

I'd put my money on FL being an osm file.

Say good bye to your money.

Tom

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tention · 16 Dec 2007

TomC wrote: You've got absolutely no glue what's a programming language. Don't worry, about 95% of mankind don't know. It doesn't matter as what YOU see Delphi, but it is by definition a programming language.

Probably not if BALTHOR writes his own definition...

BALTHOR · 16 Dec 2007

Did you listen to my FL song files or see my synth examples?Words do not always win with me---examples do!

Acrobat · 17 Dec 2007

BALTHOR wrote: I suspect that what is called code in SM is a virus attacking a module.

!!!! 😮 !!!!

MyCo · 19 Jan 2008

I'm a Delphi programmer, and used to write VST plugins in Delphi. So: 1. Delphi is a compiler, not a "interpreter". The simplest way you can see that, is turn on the Delphi Debugger in a project add a breakpoint and run. If you do that, you can see that Delphi produces Assembler code for each statement. An Interpreter doesn't do that. An Interpreter runs directly on the code, or produces bytecode like PHP does.

2. FL Studio is written in Delphi. To proof it, run Fruity through the Delphi Debugger and load in a Delphi-VST DLL which is compiled in DebugMode. Then you will see that Delphi reacts on breakpoints. That only works, in a Delphi Host. You can get the FL Plugin SDK from Image-line (which are the developers of Fruity), and read the documentation. Under "General" you can read this:

As FL Studio is created using Delphi, it's not always easy to support the latest and greatest of everything right away. New programming interfaces usually come only with C/C++ documentation and samples (like Windows itself, for example). It takes time and some experimentation to translate the necessary headers and source code from C/C++, and even then it doesn't always necessarily works completely as it should. There are some nice features in C++ (macros) that can't easily be translated to Delphi. So while features that add something to FL Studio will be included at some time, it may take a while.

thma · 19 Jan 2008

I'd like to second MyCo.

Delphi is a full fledged ObjectOriented programming language. Delphi is some kind of object oriented Pascal dialect. It has features from Pascal, Modula and Oberon. (Programming languages invented by Prof. Niklaus Wirth).

Delphi has a very efficiemt compiler that produces very fast assembler code. The generated Code is binary compatible with code compiled from Borland C++ compiler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borland_Delphi

infuzion · 20 Jan 2008

Welcome to SM thma!

I'd like to see a head 2 head comparison between Delphi & C++ for the same VST, to see which is faster & smaller!