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john_bedini ·
Ok, I'm New, I just have one question as I look at all the math, I understand we use code here for things . But I can not understand how you can do a channel subtraction process and then why would you invert the signal 180 degrees so one channel is out of phase with the other, can anyone answer this. John
oddson ·
First off... welcome to the forum. 🙂
I read this post a while ago and didn't know what to think.. after seeing your other one I get the feeling it's the difference between electronics schematics and S|M components.
If by "channel subtraction process" you mean the "Stream Subtract" component then you need to think of it the subtraction of one stream of numbers from another.
The math is simply taking the same sample point from two steams and performing the stated operation on those numbers and the result is a new stream of data.
Stream subtraction does not play a significant role in most synthesis but the component is there if and when you need it. The addition one is also not much used as it's easier just to connect two streams to the same input and S|M takes that to be stream addition.
I hope I'm getting close to addressing your question. If I'm too off-base perhaps you could clarify what your are asking.
john_bedini ·
Addson, First of all thank you for the welcome. Ok I understand what your saying, great. Now when analog engineers talk of a subtraction process it usually means one channel subtracted from the other. We could look at it this way. The left channel subtracted from the right channel or ( R-L) or we could get tricky and also subtract (L-R). When we do this we get the difference between the two channels or a stereo spatial signal but we do not flip the phase 180 degrees, this is what I do not understand with the symbol. As the symbol shows it subtracts as you say one bit stream from the other, then why invert the phase 180 degrees? I love this program as it presents a real challenge to me. I have always worked in analog so the program is great for me to build another B.A.S.E. processor of which I almost have worked out, with the exception of this phase flipping, does it mean I must add another component to correct this stream?. Anyway I find other math symbols work just fine like the addition of two channels, or (R+L) I will try not to be a real pain here, but I guess it does not mean they work the same way. The funny thing is, I can do the whole thing in Adobe Audition just fine with that program, but I want to do a VST plug in. Thanks John
oddson wrote: First off... welcome to the forum. 🙂
I read this post a while ago and didn't know what to think.. after seeing your other one I get the feeling it's the difference between electronics schematics and S|M components.
If by "channel subtraction process" you mean the "Stream Subtract" component then you need to think of it the subtraction of one stream of numbers from another.
The math is simply taking the same sample point from two steams and performing the stated operation on those numbers and the result is a new stream of data.
Stream subtraction does not play a significant role in most synthesis but the component is there if and when you need it. The addition one is also not much used as it's easier just to connect two streams to the same input and S|M takes that to be stream addition.
I hope I'm getting close to addressing your question. If I'm too off-base perhaps you could clarify what your are asking.
rl ·
Hi John, AFAIK the substrctor just does substract - nothing more, nothing less. Where did you read about the phase change?
(edit: I just saw your post in another thread. Do you want to build a OP amp? That's of course a totally different beast (but could be modelled digitally))
john_bedini ·
rI,
I have built the real machine on the bench, using all analog functions, I could do this with two DAC's also. But yes building an Op amp that would do these functions is the answer. I have just had trouble understanding the bit subtraction process as it subtracts one bit stream from the other, but why does it invert the signal?.
Here it is Wiki , Stream Subtract The Stream Subtract primitive component subtracts the lower input stream from the upper. This is equivalent to adding a phase inverted signal to the upper signal.
If I did this with Op Amps I would just get the difference signal and not invert the phase 180 degrees. I should start from the beginning, posted to the groups were two things by Freddymusic which caught my attention, so I wanted to try an experiment.
One of the things was a mono to stereo converter module. The other was a sort of spatial amp for wide stereo. Being an Analog engineer I said I think I will couple the two together, so I did that. My training in this field is that I always use a XY scope to look at the phase, what did I find, one channel out of phase. I also found that the delay was on the wrong channel and inverted to simulate stereo from mono. But first I got a mono recording of the Clovers That Old Black Magic (Mono).
I built a VST combining the building blocks, then processed the recording. The XY scope indicated it was out of phase and the mono center was missing. I took the recording and inverted one channel, bang the recording sounded fine and simulated stereo real good, base and all. If you were to play the recording over an FM stereo transmitter the phase's must be correct or the multiplex will not work right. I think you know that FM does a simple process at the multiplex (R+L) mono sum and (L-R) spatial information. In the end the receiver must put the information back together again to form stereo. I did succeed in changing the space module and transmitted the recording for ten miles. I only invested in this program to build what I have always built for the studio's in a piece of hardware. Don't get me wrong, the common person would not even hear this as it does work for the simulation if you want the voices split between the channels and delayed. I'm just a sticker for the XY scope and the recording being in phase. So yes, Op Amps would be the answer and delay time in no more then 30 ms on the correct channel. When I finished changing the modules to the correct phase it did generate a new stereo signal that transmitted just great. In the end being an analog audio engineer is a curse with everybody moving to digital, I should be pumping gas. John
rl wrote: Hi John, AFAIK the substrctor just does substract - nothing more, nothing less. Where did you read about the phase change?
(edit: I just saw your post in another thread. Do you want to build a OP amp? That's of course a totally different beast (but could be modelled digitally))
oddson ·
Sorry if the WIKI entry is the source of the confusion. I have replaced it with this:
The Stream Subtract primitive component subtracts the lower input stream from the upper. The result is a difference signal with positive values reflecting that, at that sample point, the upper stream was greater and negative values that the lower stream was greater.
There is no phase shifting. It is equivalent to inverting the signal and adding but I've left that out as redundant.
john_bedini ·
Oddson, I have solved the problem, and understand what you have said. Thank you very much, I just did my best to work with Synthmaker knowing nothing, but here is my first one out of the box. It will get better. Here is my experiment in spatial mono you can view it at www.icehouse.net/john34/test.html
oddson wrote: Sorry if the WIKI entry is the source of the confusion. I have replaced it with this:
The Stream Subtract primitive component subtracts the lower input stream from the upper. The result is a difference signal with positive values reflecting that, at that sample point, the upper stream was greater and negative values that the lower stream was greater.
There is no phase shifting. It is equivalent to inverting the signal and adding but I've left that out as redundant.
john_bedini ·
I wanted to tell the group that I did succeed in building the whole processor with three basic math functions, the add, subtract and multiply. it is very easy if you just look at them as gain amplifiers. As you know analog op-amps do these basic functions, I will go into this later. But first thank you Oddson for the help. as it just takes time to understand something new. I did put up a page to show the testing for those that want to do analog processing. John
john_bedini wrote: Oddson, I have solved the problem, and understand what you have said. Thank you very much, I just did my best to work with Synthmaker knowing nothing, but here is my first one out of the box. It will get better. Here is my experiment in spatial mono you can view it at www.icehouse.net/john34/test.html
oddson wrote: Sorry if the WIKI entry is the source of the confusion. I have replaced it with this:
The Stream Subtract primitive component subtracts the lower input stream from the upper. The result is a difference signal with positive values reflecting that, at that sample point, the upper stream was greater and negative values that the lower stream was greater.
There is no phase shifting. It is equivalent to inverting the signal and adding but I've left that out as redundant.
oddson ·
I don't know that you should thank me as I'm the one who through you off-base in the first place. I wrote a lot of the component guide without understanding standard terminology. To me, at the time, an inverted signal was the same thing as phase inversion. 😊
john_bedini ·
Oddson, I think I was a little hard in the beginning, like I said before being an analog engineer could be a curse, you were correct when you said I'm looking at this as if I'm reading a schematic, that's true. Since Synthmaker is basic electronic hook up of components, it very important that when you hookup everything up the phase coming out is correct. If by chance one bit stream is flipped 180 degrees an oscillator could just vanish and null the music stream. But this is for a later discussion as I find out more about the math. In building these OP-Amps, I have only used the three math symbols so far and the floating point. The program works great when you get everything correct, I'm really happy with spending the money on Synthmaker, it's very exciting to just use three functions and build anything you want. But I do thank you for the help you did give. John
oddson wrote: I don't know that you should thank me as I'm the one who through you off-base in the first place. I wrote a lot of the component guide without understanding standard terminology. To me, at the time, an inverted signal was the same thing as phase inversion. 😊
Quad_fan ·
john_bedini wrote: Oddson, I have solved the problem, and understand what you have said. Thank you very much, I just did my best to work with Synthmaker knowing nothing, but here is my first one out of the box. It will get better. Here is my experiment in spatial mono you can view it at http://www.icehouse.net/john34/test.htm
Hi eveyone, I thought I should correct John's post for his link above, it should read: http://www.johnbedini.net/john34/test.html
He has put some great examples on this page and I'm sure many of you here will appreciate his efforts at showing the capabilities of SynthMaker.
Thanks to John, I never tire of listening to 'That Old Black Magic' recorded by the Clovers, especially with the spacial mono to stereo conversions John has created. I'm amazed at the clarity and spaciousness these old time mono recordings can achieve with SynthMaker and of course a genius 'playing around' with it.
Just goes to prove what a wonderful tool these guys have created.
Thank you all for the beautiful Music!
attic ·
Welcome to the forum John. When can we try the Vst? Also the track at the bottom of your webpage who is the artist?
Jay ·
WOW! Is that really you Dr Bedini?
If so, we are truly honored to have you around here! Man, you are one of my greatest hero's, next to tesla of course 😍 😍 😍
With your in-depth knowledge and understanding of real world electrical science you should be rolling in no time at all 🙂
Welcome!
Best Regards
Jay ·
lol I have just noticed this is a three year old thread! But it was him!
The man is an absolute genius!
attic ·
Lol Yeah I just noticed to. I didn't know who he was. Wonder if he made any vst's?
Jay ·
Well apart from being a proficient inventor of wonderful audio equipment, He also invented the Bedini monopole motor which gives out more energy than you put in! So you can drive something and recover more energy than it uses 🙂 Overunity! He came up with new types of battery charger, way more efficient than others before it! Radiant charge not electrical.
I am a member of his yahoo monopole project and a few of his other sites,I will have to ask him if he still uses SM
Best Regards
oddson ·
I helped a genius? ...go figure.
Wait... he invented perpetual motion... hmm...
In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
Jay ·
Hi oddson
No it was nothing to do with any perpetual motion devices! only one of those machines has ever been proven to work. This one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7YB7eiOeQ
John invented a new very very efficient permanent magnet monopole motor which allows you to collect a radiant charge straight out of the vacuum. More out than goes in! http://johnbedini.net/
So with a battery swapper circuit you can get the motor to charge one run battery whilst using another then flip them round giving you a motor that runs for ever for free,use its torque to drive a PMA and you have free energy forever - FREE
He makes as all of this stuff as well http://www.bedini.com/
P.S the laws of thermodynamics are wrong! Falsified and a down right lie! and i does not take a Genius to figure out why we are all lied to about energy. 😉
Best Regards
dasdeck ·
also i'm quite skeptical of bedini and similar inventors, i don't get why people assume soemthing is a perpetuum mobile aka breaks thermo dynamic laws, only becouse the source of energy is NOT KNOWN! consider if you did not knew electricity. electricly driven machines would seem to you like impossible magical things, and would seem like kind of driven by nothing! therey may be unknown potential forces we could use, without it being a thermodynamic law breaker, alnbeit seeming so.
jm
MegaHurtz ·
As opposed to extremely low friction superfluids.. Perpetual motion is not possible yet. Heck our frictionless universe seems to be bent by opposing force. (and possibly the strong force) Wasnt this stuff a big hoax.
mwvdlee ·
To quote Arthur C. Clarke's third law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Perpetual motion is impossible if only because by merely observing the motion, you are taking away energy from it.
MichaelBenjamin ·
on the other side nothing gets ever lost, it is just transformed. so if you count everything in existance, matter, energy and the uncountable, then that could be a perpetuum mobile as a whole. maybe it therefore just doesnt need to be invented because we have been sitting in it all the time.
attic ·
on the other side nothing gets ever lost, it is just transformed.
Well if he made a vst I would like to find the lost osm file and transform it.
Jay ·
Well the whole subject of energy is fraught with holes,misguides and falsehoods and they don't come from guys like John! The Bedini motor if built correctly,a multi coil,multi circuit system does provide overunity though he does not claim it.
Look at the kapagen device! 😉 making one now that runs from the earths own pulse!
So far i have successfully replicated...Dr stifflers SEC Exciter,Lidmotors Juelthieth Exciter,Johns Motors and a few Hydroxy cells(yep, you can run a car on water and a little KOH)
Now playing with the Kapogen and some RF circuits,one wire and zero wires transmition of energy (Field inductance)
all fantastic fun to do,cheap to make.
Put it this way, I am learning a lot of stuff no electricians or electronics engineers will have been taught in their further education.Stuff that to this day is still not taught in Universities and schools
for you guys with that type of Education - Do you believe everything that you were taught? Do you think your tutors believed everything they taught you? Do any of you believe that in the last 120 years we have made no advances in energy?
The defining thing about the human race is our ability to question and to reason,to progress and advance ourselves.All things that at this stage in human history, we are encouraged NOT to do.
The answers were provided to us to us over 100 years ago, by the likes of Nikola Tesla etc. hundreds of these answers/inventions are suppressed in the name of national security (USA & UK and all NATO states) ahem,greed and control more like.
I could weep for humanity in the knowledge of the days that are coming!We ARE running out of time. The poles are shifting,the planet is in a stage of massive change,We are overpopulated to the extent of choking the biosphere,We are rapidly running out of carbon based fuels(which we have never needed) our planet is in a state of decline - man made or mother nature idk
Think of the children of the world guys! Your children,my children and their children.What are we leaving them?
How many VST plugins will be needed after the last lights go out? = 0
Great points of view and comments from you guys 🙂 and i love that quote mvdlee 😀
Best Regards
MichaelBenjamin ·
Jay wrote: Look at the kapagen device! 😉 making one now that runs from the earths own pulse!
So far i have successfully replicated...Dr stifflers SEC Exciter,Lidmotors Juelthieth Exciter,Johns Motors and a few Hydroxy cells(yep, you can run a car on water and a little KOH)
Now playing with the Kapogen and some RF circuits,one wire and zero wires transmition of energy (Field inductance)
can you explain that a bit and/or give some pics/simple drafts that show how it works/should work?
MegaHurtz ·
Probbably the little arcenic bacteria surviving the ordeal. 🙂
I think there`s much to be learned, but for now I have to be one of the critics saying we cannot preserve momentum simply because we have to put mass into motion, Even in an absolute vacuum (like space) The "machine" has an equal and opposite reaction on space itself because of the object in motion is moving in time. 😕
aliasant ·
MegaHurtz wrote: Probbably the little arcenic bacteria surviving the ordeal. 🙂
I think there`s much to be learned, but for now I have to be one of the critics saying we cannot preserve momentum simply because we have to put mass into motion, Even in an absolute vacuum (like space) The "machine" has an equal and opposite reaction on space itself because of the object in motion is moving in time. 😕
Isnt it so that these kind of "engines" use magnets to push/pull the rotation? Thats not getting something from nothing. This is atleast what I have seen in the documentaries about Bedini and others like him. Was a while since I saw these but all these movies makes you think. Maybe there is something to this. After all. Not many years ago what we couldnt fly.
A Q. Can magnets have a resonating freq? A way to peak the powers of a magnet?
What I think some of thewse inventors was trying to do was to switch magnets off and on at the exact right time to keep "it" spinning. Since the energy from the magnet is "free" that control mechanism can use as much energy as the magnets give and that would be unity. If your controls mechanism uses less then you get from the magnets then you have over unity?
About "The defining thing about the human race is our ability to question and to reason,to progress and advance ourselves....."
I agree with Jay in this. Unfortunatly humans tends NOT to ask questions and can be fooled very easily. If enough people tells you that the moon is actually made of cheese eventually you will believe them. At least it looks this way today. 🙁
MegaHurtz ·
the resonant frequency is definately "hot" at some point. But where does the energy go thats converted to heat, friction and so on..
Jay ·
You must stop converting that energy to heat! that is the great mistake you electronics guys have been taught. As Tom Bearden has said for many years now "Don't kill the diapole" (close the loop)
The collection of that energy (back EMF) you would otherwise dissipate as heat is one way that Steorn have had some exciting successes with. Take a look here http://www.steorn.com/
The heat energy created by closing the loop and frictional heat energy are convected back into the environment i think.
This is a great place for all interested in the matter of energetics http://www.panaceauniversity.org/
@ MB Yes no probs m8 i will prep some stuff i have gathered on the Kapazandie and Kapagen devices and post it up for you 🙂
Have i started a fire? I hope so!
best regards
MegaHurtz ·
Dont you think ittl be headline news, that we have finnaly did the impossible. Oh yes we finnaly solved energy polution, from now on everything will be better. But the news seems to be very quiet about this 🙂 And the people selling this look like the average pathological cases with a degree sellin kits. Im sorry but im far from convinced. Note all the images are static images, except the shorted out example Wich does not show the actual current but a derivate of heat vs current. Sadly their presentation at waterways fails to show anything bred and butter at all. Id say hoax.
Edit: and ohw please the capacitance in the cable should show up if you know how to use a scope. Nevermind the magnetic field being projected and partially lost as a result. (even wasted converting V to EMF). Meaning I can show you the loss in a peice of cable.
Jay ·
Megahurtz
Solid State Orbo tech is now widely accepted and tested.
About it would be big news if it had been done! Do you live in the same oil based corrupt world as the rest of us? The same world where there have been many many clean energy,overunity,free energy devices proven and suppressed to hell? And they have made the news! all over the world!
Waterways is simply a demonstration of an effect : Not a demonstration of gains or the final tech. Ignore the motors. They are just a precursor.
There was a whole load of shenanigans at the start and it looked like a fraud to all of the OU community but stuff is now sorted out and tested in the solid state version and a working device is soon to be unveiled by Panacea 😀
So making judgments like yours is premature. You think hoax! time WILL tell.
Best regards
MegaHurtz ·
Lots of kitsellers outthere you gotta admit.
But lets not turn this into a matter of in what world who lives. Heck I dont even own a car 😀. But I do challenge any man on any level to prove me wrong.
MegaHurtz ·
Jay wrote: Megahurtz
Solid State Orbo tech is now widely accepted and tested.
About it would be big news if it had been done! Do you live in the same oil based corrupt world as the rest of us? The same world where there have been many many clean energy,overunity,free energy devices proven and suppressed to hell? And they have made the news! all over the world!
Waterways is simply a demonstration of an effect : Not a demonstration of gains or the final tech. Ignore the motors. They are just a precursor.
There was a whole load of shenanigans at the start and it looked like a fraud to all of the OU community but stuff is now sorted out and tested in the solid state version and a working device is soon to be unveiled by Panacea 😀
So making judgments like yours is premature. You think hoax! time WILL tell.
Best regards
Red it again srry 🙂 Apffhh, These things never worked... Ha!. Dont go guilt tripping on me.. please. Remember im in this objectively, So I was actually watching hoping they where able to do some sceience. They didnt, they wasted my time..And if they sell you a kit and it doesnt work its your own GD fault. (becouse you most definately did not assemble it right) You know how you would prove overunity, its not that hard actually, Frying a wire with a 1 volt battery on a feedback loop. Remember they say 300% I ll wait pica secs. Did they?? NO they didnt.. So cann it hippy 😉 << sorry for the punn Jay i think you are an ok-est of ok guys yust had to make it.
Edit: Detonate a peice of wire 🙂, or atleast keep it running without adding more than one impulse. You are right about holding back cleaner more abundant forms of energy tho.. It`s a waste.
rl ·
How about building a device that uses the wasted energy of the indefinite wait (of the 10 to 12 outsim customers including myself) for a major synthmaker update and turns that into something useful. Then I will start believing in wonders. In the meantime I obey the laws of thermodynamics too.
/out, looking for SM alternatives
MegaHurtz ·
Sadly not all the energy put in comes out at the end.. Its gods way of making synthmaker not blow up.
I think its a waste, if Synthmaker would go tits up. Think its lovely.. 😍
If you write things reaaly really small no one can read them anymore..
stw ·
rl wrote: /out, looking for SM alternatives
...please let us know if you succseed...
trogluddite ·
Stop whispering - you'll make the conspiracy theorists paranoid!
MegaHurtz ·
Tonight we strike.
Jay ·
lol i am a bit of a hippy 😀
Cool MegaHurtz 🙂 I hope it does turn out to work though! I am waiting on the proof from Pancea before they get my cash anyway. Look at this though for those interest in magnet motors http://pesn.com/2010/04/22/9501639_Yild ... niversity/
This is not fake is it? I mean, all of these ppl check out and the device is stripped and examined. The device is patented. Well what do you all think?
Best Regards
trogluddite ·
But once again patented - thus ruling out peer review. One experiment (and experimenter) is never enough - only an 'open source' device capable of duplication by skeptics is ever going to lead to a revolution in energy production.
MegaHurtz ·
TU Delft is real, only theres a little disclaimer at the end telling they didnt see enough to be shure its real. But them Neodimium magets are terribly strong, the only downside is that one would have to overcome that magnetic power to be repelled again. Also there are property`s in nature like diamagnetism that could be utilised to do something energetic.
aliasant ·
Nice find Jay. Exactly what I was talking about. Well. More or less 🙂 A lot more complicated of course but magnetic motors are what I think can be a simple solution for everyday use.
Imagining upscaling this thing to a real energy plant size.
MHurtz. I too doubt everything unless I have taken it apart myself but I cant see any reason why this couldnt be real? If he found a way to isolate the electromagnetic field and opening it up only at the right magnet at the right time then he solved it.
MegaHurtz ·
Quote (same page) TU delft.
Jury Still Out
All this certainly looks promising.
Before concluding that sufficient evidence has been given that this is a bona fide magnet motor, two things need to be yet shown. Apparently most demonstrations Yildiz has given do not show the motor going longer than 10-15 minutes. The size of the core is such that it could house a hidden battery and motor that could possibly provide that much power. That needs to be ruled out.
Second, the possibility of magnet depletion being the source of energy needs to be analyzed and ruled out. That would be interesting science but not practical for energy generation.
Acrobat ·
The real revolution would be SAVING energy not finding strange ways to continue consuming it. 😉
MichaelBenjamin ·
"saving" is based on the idea that energy is scarce, but the opposite maybe aswell be the case. the most natural energy source would be fusion, since stars do it very well. i think we should put more effort into this, since its so obvious.
trogluddite ·
MichaelBenjamin wrote: natural energy source would be fusion, since stars do it very well
Indeed, and we already have our own 'tame' star. Apart from geothermal, all our current energy sources are ultimately derived from this incredible fusion reactor on our doorstep - so why re-invent the wheel, IMO we should concentrate on better ways of harnessing what is already there - "ambient" energy (much more accurate term than 'renewable').
Don't get me wrong, Jay's posts to zero-point energy experiments etc. are very interesting long-term projects (in terms of changing mind-sets as much as the technology itself), and I don't completely dismiss them as "snake oil". But to avoid global warming/peak oil etc. we require short-term solutions that are familiar enough to gain quick acceptance (from scientists as much as the public at large). We are close enough to more efficient solar panels/batteries/artificial photosynthesis to make them at least a viable stop-gap while more radical solutions are fully investigated
And, of course, being less greedy in our use of energy would help a damn lot - not just turning off lighbulbs - I mean wearing your clothes until they have holes in, waiting until your computer explodes until upgrading, putting a sweater on instead of turning up the thermostat, not being jealous because your neighbour's car is more flashy, playing ukelele instead of sucking in misinformation from your TV, etc.etc. (he writes on his PC with 300W PSU!! HahahahaHypocrite!)
Here endeth the rant (Sorry, the guinness was good tonight)
Even if the 'magician's' are wrong, understanding why they are wrong can lead to enlightenment
@Jay - yes, I'm an old hippy too!!
aliasant ·
MichaelBenjamin wrote: "saving" is based on the idea that energy is scarce, but the opposite maybe aswell be the case. the most natural energy source would be fusion, since stars do it very well. i think we should put more effort into this, since its so obvious.
But we are putting biljons into it. Both in Europe and in the states and probably else were too. Even North Korea had a press release some months back stating that they had indded solved the problems with Fusion 🙂 Who knows. That would really rock the world if they were first.... 😕 😀
Problem is that it gets so incredibly hot everything holding the plasma contained melts and burns if they keep it running more then seconds. They claim that they will eventually solve it and I sure hope so but it would be nicer with small magnetic or other kinds of engines in everyones closet or basement. Then we wouldnt have to rely on gready corporations delivering very expensive electricity to us. Would also be nicer for those living in poorer countries. Electricity could be produced locally to create/clean water both for drinking and hygiene but also for crops and what nots.
I really would prefer it if the little man wins this battle but Fusion is the next best thing for sure.
On the other hand. Didnt the German Minister of Energy state that Germany had to regulate private solarpower generated from all the new panels (that sells like butter these days) so that this free energy wouldnt overload the grid. Solarpower grows quickly. New techniques to harnest Wind and Waves. Better Turbines that can at least double all our existing plants. Much much better batteries that can store the energy for much much longer without waste meaning we can produce at one location, maybe in a desert, far out in the atlantic or else were and then transport it back to mainland. Something we havnt really been able to do uptil now.
Have faith you unfaithfuls 😈 😇 🙁 .....But not in the major corporations. They just want to suck your last pennies out....
🙂
MegaHurtz ·
Hydrogen is actually a perfect natural battery, the little problem is that petrol ignites, and hydrogen detonates in open air. I heard in holland we probbably get two nuclear reactors extra.. Im really for this. Troggludite YES photosynthesis, its not even a sceience yust have to manage the O2 output by having enough trees around. Its aswell a better thing to look at compared to the halfassed costruction we can manage 🙂 But theres a lot of energy to be utilised, like water, wind and solar power. Its really about collecting as much little bits as we can. If we were to run on hydrogen. And were to fuse al lot of H with O2. We would have to make ways of splitting them back again. Else it probbably has more impact on our scenario as the CO2 we emit now.
trogluddite ·
MegaHurtz wrote: Its really about collecting as much little bits as we can.
Yes, I see that as the way forward - harnessing the sun, wind, water etc. are relatively low-tech, and can easily be applied at a small-scale local level. Most of the kit can even be made out of recycled parts from the mountains of junk we currently create, and require little specialist knowledge to build. That is the most likely scenario to lessen the dependence on large corporations and patented technology - especially across the developing world. Already, large scale wind turbine projects across Europe/USA are being hampered by China's virtual monopoly for rare-earth metals (needed for the high power magnets). That's what makes me laugh about the sudden confidence of the nuclear fission industry - even disregarding the safety and waste issues, who will end up with control over the supply of uranium? On a lighter note - maybe some of the ideas HERE can help?
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