VST loader

beno · 5 May 2005

I'd also like something but just for testing. I can test the result of an effect on lots more sources if I could load VSTis in SM and then place the effect I'm working on after it. Ben

Nu Audio Science · 5 May 2005

Yo Beno go get T2 ready lol Wecan find ya wherever you hang out 🙂

beno · 5 May 2005

It's taking longer then expected because they are making me deliver it to all the stores myself on my bike. Ben

Nu Audio Science · 5 May 2005

Well in that casei hope its a chopper, I'ts all you deserve for making us all wait

🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

Tom7777 · 5 May 2005

Imagine albino as a user loadable Osc

Its not a good idea, for two reasons

1. Some would take advantage of this for software piracy like purposes and someone could put some synth like NI FM7 into a structure and then try to hide the GUI and then say I made this, im sure this would happen a lot and i definately don't think this feature should ever be added.

2. It would not be a good idea for the other reason that the CPU would be very large also and there would be no way to edit the plugins anyway so it would only be inputs and outputs you could use. you can already make the sounds that most of the pro plugins make anyway if you are good enough or use DSP so this is very pointless anyway even if it was to just chain effects together.

I suggest you look for a sequencer that can chain audio together and there are lots available already.

malc · 5 May 2005

We started support for VSTi's a while ago. We'll resume work on this at some point for definite.

Tom7777 · 5 May 2005

We started support for VSTi's a while ago. We'll resume work on this at some point for definite.

I think you should only be able to use them and not export them if they are used on a module. Testing purpose only type thing. 🙂

Nu Audio Science · 5 May 2005

Sorry Tom but your wrong very very wrong

1 I asked for a vst loader not an embedder, These are two completly seperate isuues, Its like saying sequencers shouldn't support vst plugs, A loader would have a front end that would allow the end user to load in a particular plugin whichever they own, Even if it was embeded it could be implemented easy enough by not exporting the vst dll.

2 To say its not useful is ridiculous, Drum 9 is one of the most anticipated releases in a long time and does exactly this, The ability to use say FM7 just for your bassdrum in a drum machine is awesome, The CPU ussage is mute really because theyre are a multitude of synths out there that use hardly any CPU on todays machines, Also this would mean that you could build a modular synth and then just add modules to it by building new vst plugs in SM SE C++ whatever, You would also be able to have full control and automation of the data because this is all taken into consideration in the vst format itself, At a later date when theyre are more MIDI options in synthedit a save as exe function could be put in (I think the older versions had this but i may be wrong) and sequencing hosts could be created, The potential for this feature seems limitless and really shouldn't be diregarded as quickly as you did.

I understand your worries about embedding but that isn't what is asked for but the ability to let the end user load a vst Features like this further down the line will only strengthen SM as a real authoring tool for plugins, I hope that clears up what was actually suggested 🙂

Nu Audio Science · 5 May 2005

Sorry typin while you where typin DOH

Tom7777 · 5 May 2005

Hi again, yeah i did sort of notice that you did mean that but people always find work arounds for that sort of thing, I think that VSTI should be able to be used to test VST effects though 🙂 just not exported.

Nu Audio Science · 5 May 2005

No NO EXPORT OF VST that would be terrible, Im very sorry if i gave that impression 🙁 Just a VST loader no dll exports or embedding

I should clarify that i use Tracktion + EXT so im used to routing in the host like you say 🙂

Tom7777 · 5 May 2005

No NO EXPORT OF VST that would be terrible, Im very sorry if i gave that impression 🙁 Just a VST loader no dll exports or embedding

Ahh ok cool 🙂 It is often hard to describe things online and have people know exactly what you mean all the time, Im sorry, i thought thats what you were saying at first.

I should clarify that i use Tracktion + EXT so im used to routing in the host like you say 🙂

Cool, Im interested in anything modular also as you have millions of possible sounds you can make, Im going to save for a Nord Modular synth they look great. 🙂

Nu Audio Science · 5 May 2005

Lets just make a Modular 🙂

Tom7777 · 5 May 2005

S+M sounds painful to me 🙂

Lol 🙂 Theres no + in it though

unkargherth · 6 May 2005

Well. At this ponint i agree a bit with NAS and a bit with Tom

.- I think that VST/VSTi LOADING in the editor it's a must. For a variety of reasons. primarily

.- To use the ton of analisys VST out there: Spectrum analizers, Signal Generators, midi monitors,ect while designing my synth effect. I think Jorge and malc should loose effort trying to include a "State of the Art" frequency analizer like Voxengo's ones, for example, as they could'nt be used to BUILD the final VST i'm creating

.- To compare my synth/effect with other with similars capabilities in a controled environment in design time. Load "ultrafunk bass crusher" and your distorsion effect in editor and compare, measure the differences, analize the frequency responses

On the other side, including the posibility of final user load a plugin inside my plugin seems excesive and dificult to implement in something that is, suposedly "near assembler" and "Sample by sample" instead of "block by block" VST Philosophy. For this reasoni think is something that, if not forgot, should be at least "Version 2.0"

Nu Audio Science · 6 May 2005

Well you would know more about code than me so i guess it will get forgot 🙁

Tom7777 · 6 May 2005

I think that everything important should be added first and then something like that much later on.