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birdster ·
Hi im new to world of Synthmaker and done some searching in the forum but found little in the way of help, would it be possible in Synthmaker to take an input from my sound card L+R which is used externally by two mics and create a mixer style module with pan, level, faders, fx sends and 3 effects slots and still keep the latency below a 10ms.
And if it is possible can it be used as and exported VSTi ?
This if worked would of great use to me and the kids i teach!
thanks
birdster
oddson ·
Welcome
would it be possible in Synthmaker to take an input from my sound card L+R which is used externally by two mics and create a mixer style module with pan, level, faders, fx sends....
so far... yes.
...and 3 effects slots...
Not sure... most hosts won't let you feedback a signal... I'm not sure I understand but that's probably my ignorance with audio software (other than SM).
...and still keep the latency below a 10ms...
... really can't say for sure... but I'm pretty sure the answer is 'yes'. AFAIK SM does not introduce latency unless you are 'looking ahead' in the audio stream and producing results that are based on delayed sample calculations (see this thread).
...And if it is possible can it be used as and exported VSTi ?
SM does make VSTs... so unless I'm not getting something else this is definately a 'yes'.
What do you mean by 'effects slots'?
angstrom ·
one way of approaching this would be to build a mixer in SM, with a few volume faders, pan , eq, etc. Also provide a couple of return channels with associated sends on each track. Allow the return channel to choose from a small number of SM based effects (because SM cant host other peoples VST effects) - you could include effects such as reverb, delay, chorus, compression that sort of thing
Now take this whole project and export it as an EXE. That way you have a stand-alone software mixer with faders, pans, eq, effect sends, effects. It would be self contained and able to be installed on any PC.
birdster ·
thanks angstrom and oddson for your promt replys thats great news that it seems possible cutting between the lines of your posts, angstrom put into word exactly what i was after the effects would be sm based and not external effects and the latency issuse was only of importance as i belive any more than 10ms on a live vocal with sm dirived effects would be noticable if less than 10ms can be achieved that would be great but i guessing that is purely based on the speed of the pc ??? .The osm would be exported as a exe so it was in essence just a mixer with effects for live work.
I tried using AngularMomentums 3 fx slot osm as a basis of somthing to start with at Multiple effects VST with route select but this osm has only chained fx i was after a send and return system, to be honest im finding programing in sm a pretty daunting so anyone who wants to point me in the right direction with some samples of osm's i can then maybe better understand what going on within the osm, better still so i someone wishes to take up the challage build a simple version i can tinker with that would be great.
birdster ·
Double post sorry
stefan ·
I'll try knocking an example up for you!
stefan ·
Here's a simple mixer example:
Simple Mixer Schematic
I utilized wireless connectors for the different audio buses, that way one can duplicate the channels with minimum effort required.
There's no fancy features like VU-meters, pre-/post fader option for the sends, solo/mute buttons etc. But hopefully the example will still be helpful!
Cheers!
birdster ·
Wow stefan what can i say thanks you work fast will have a tinker with it later tonight, this seems like a good starting point for me.
thanks again
birdster ·
Been trying the example stefan made which was great and expains lot on how sm works, ive been tinkering around and tried putting an eq on each channel by inserting the graphic parametric module in which is a little overkill for the job, a normal 3 band eq (high, mid, bass) would be better suited is there any such modules within sm or do they have to be contructed within sm, i did a quick search and only found parametric eq's.Also i dont know if its me but the pan doesnt seem to work ive been testing with a PC keyboard midi module and the VSTi module connected to it but panning hard left and right does nothing !!
my other question is, is it possible to have all settings saved ie. fx,fader position,pan settings etc within a preset box for easy access to every time a new session starts and if so when exported to an exe does the mixer remember these settings on each new mixer start ??
Any examples are welcome, and a big thankyou stefan for your example
thanks
stefan ·
The panning issue is because of how the sends effects treat the signal. They really shouldn't have any mix knobs (but maybe just a level knob instead) and the on/off shouldn't work as a bypass. This is all sends take in a mono signal and sends out a stereo one.
If you turn down all the sends on a channel, you get "clean" panning. I can alter the effects so that they have true on/off switches and a level knob instead of a mix one if you need help doing that. My intention was not to make "proper" send effects, but just to show how the actual mixer channels could be built within SM
Regarding the EQ: It should be possible to make one that is quite low on the CPU if you can withstand a 3 sample latency, then one can hook up three non-parametric bands (low shelf, peaking and high shelf) at locked frequencies with just gain knobs for them. One can do this without latency too of course, but then it'll use some more CPU, but on the other hand, it's easier to understand such a version.
stefan ·
I'm working on a 3 band mono EQ for you, it's _very_ light on the CPU. Will post it here when it's done (don't know if I'll have the time to finish it today).
rl ·
Birdster, in the meantime you could check this: Mixer Strip with Parametric EQ and Midi Remote Control
birdster ·
thanks stefan for your time, the mono eq you are going to build is it simlar to the parametric eq ie can q and freq can be pulled round on the gui and also size wise so a finger can control it, im only asking becuse my end goal is to make this touchscreen friendly (see below) and a graphic gui would be great to teach with as opposed to knobs
rl thanks for the info unfortunatly when i open your osm sm crashes, im running Vista maybe thats the problem !
From previous post not answered : my other question is, is it possible to have all settings saved ie. fx,fader position,pan settings etc within a preset box for easy access to every time a new session starts and if so when exported to an exe does the mixer remember these settings on each new mixer start ??
My end goal with this project will be to make the controls touchscreen friendly for the computers that are used in our school, along the lines of the Jazzmutant Lemar and the the MonoTouch Live which is made with sm, are there and examples of faders, switches and knobs used within Monotouch Live ??
Cheers
echopark ·
rl thanks for the info unfortunatly when i open your osm sm crashes, im running Vista maybe thats the problem !
No, I doesn`t have to with vista. The osm also crash on my 2 XP Computers.
rl ·
ooops! will investigate...... (it's a pretty old schematic from a time where SM was in it's infancy)
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