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Krylof ·
Hello everybody. For example - i want to create my own vst eg and would like to capture my harware or vst eq sound (not preset) and than somehow transfer that sound into my own eq, which is not created yet. Something like waves clone eq, but it should flexible, not only one captured eq curve. Is it possible?
Thank you very much, Sergey. *
stefan ·
Not in any "automagical" way, no. It would basically be up to you to properly model the gears character and implement it. Sometimes there's just no good shortcuts to avoid hard labour 🙂
angstrom ·
I guess a rudimentary clone EQ could be made: run several eq bandpass filters on a source wave to determine the mean amplitude for each band. Then have a similar set of output bandpass filters and set the gain for each 'clone' band to that of its sibling. Sort of like a vocoder, but with the sampling done over a very long period.
well, I didn't spend long thinking about that, as long as it took to type it in fact, so I'm sure theres a lurking problem hidden in that 'solution'
aliasant ·
Isnt what Krylof is looking for more like a ImpulseRespomse thing? Convolution??
Something I miss in SM is the possibilty to use my IRs to for ex, Have some guitaramp IR in my filters, have a nice plate verb from lexicon instead of the freeverb....The possibilities are almost endless.
There is/was a similar app to SM for Mac called SonicBirth. It had this function so it shouldnt be so hard.
Think about this. Making your own EQ and after each eq instance have a small impulseresp taken from your fav eq... drewl.
matti ·
aliasant wrote: Isnt what Krylof is looking for more like a ImpulseRespomse thing? Convolution??
Something I miss in SM is the possibilty to use my IRs to for ex, Have some guitaramp IR in my filters, have a nice plate verb from lexicon instead of the freeverb....The possibilities are almost endless.
Just as a side note.. from a professional music producers view those convolution reverbs are just shite. They lack the kind of softness and character REAL good reverbs have(well, theres no pitch modulation on them, which explains it..). If you listen to a bunch of reverb models, they all sound very similar in the end. I haven't tested any convoluted eq's, so i don't know whats the story behind them. I guess it could be possible to knock up a schematic in SM for IR stuff.. All it needs is FIR filters, right?
aliasant ·
I think your on spot here matti. But still it would be a really nice thing to have. Maybe one could combine for ex freeverb with a short plate character.. or something.
And the other thing. Beeing able to use all these guitaramps that lurks on my drives.
stefan ·
@ angstrom & aliasiant: But he specifically stated that he did not want to capture a specific setting of the EQ, but it's overall character.
matti ·
stefan wrote: @ angstrom & aliasiant: But he specifically stated that he did not want to capture a specific setting of the EQ, but it's overall character.
Ah yes, with a single IR you can capture just one specific setting of the EQ.. But wouldn't it be possible to have a lookup table of multiple settings? I don't know how practical that would be.. but in theory 🙂
aliasant ·
=) ... and then he says "something like waves clone eq" Wich is a convolution eq. Every knob on an eq has been "sampled/convoluted" on every position.
Lets say you would like to "clone" a hipass filter. to make it simple 😉 Just set the knob that controls that /parameter on that hardware on every possible/desired settings or something and make a convolution of each. The in SM have a selector select (what else does it do?? =) ) the convolution you want..
There. you have captured it but not the actual preset....eh. But since my incredibly stupid example had only one possible parameter to change I guess I just made a convolution of a preset.....bla. More coffe.
Krylof ·
aliasant wrote: =) ... and then he says "something like waves clone eq" Wich is a convolution eq. Every knob on an eq has been "sampled/convoluted" on every position.
Lets say you would like to "clone" a hipass filter. to make it simple 😉 Just set the knob that controls that /parameter on that hardware on every possible/desired settings or something and make a convolution of each. The in SM have a selector select (what else does it do?? =) ) the convolution you want..
There. you have captured it but not the actual preset....eh. But since my incredibly stupid example had only one possible parameter to change I guess I just made a convolution of a preset.....bla. More coffe.
Well, i said "Something like Waves Clone EQ". Clone EQ uses a signal which analyse the present settings of hardware unit in the moment. I meant only the main principle how it works to analyse the hardware. Like, maybe - if you take a camera in your hand and make the photo. I don't want to have a photo, i asked about a real thing- movie. Black, white, or maybe in colour . . . !
Thanks everybody for input, Sergey. 🙂 *
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