SynthMakermarkdeaton ·
How do synth makers get those big fat saw sounds? I created three separate saws, detuned them and ran them through a thick chorus but still can't seem to get that big fat unison sound. Do I need to distort them?
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stefan ·
markdeaton wrote: How do synth makers get those big fat saw sounds? I created three separate saws, detuned them and ran them through a thick chorus but still can't seem to get that big fat unison sound. Do I need to distort them?
Three ain't many if you're heading for a "supersaw". Think 8 and up. Best is if you also spread them in the stereo field.
markdeaton ·
Thanks stefan. A lot of the VSTi's I've seen that can do supersaws only have 2 - 3 saws visible. Are there probably more that are not visible, like maybe 3 per section?
stefan ·
markdeaton wrote: Thanks stefan. A lot of the VSTi's I've seen that can do supersaws only have 2 - 3 saws visible. Are there probably more that are not visible, like maybe 3 per section?
If the waveform is called "supersaw" the oscillator most likely internally renders 8,12 or 16 detuned saw waves internally.
markdeaton ·
Here's what I'm talking about...
http://www.freedownloadaudio.com/images ... 50-300.jpg
That's Adventus. As you can see there's only 2 areas where I can pick what waveforms I want. If I choose both saws, the sound is huge. Here's a saw sound I built in Adventus using an Arp and saws:
http://www.strafed.net/stuff/guess.mp3
As you can hear about halfway through when I sweep the filter, the saws are pretty mean sounding (and beautifully percussive) 🙂.
So, to me it sounds as if there are multiple saws behind each section. Please forgive my lack of knowledge here. I'm trying to learn!
rlahalla ·
As far as I know, yes, when you choose "saw" in one of the OSC sections of the synth, internally it rendered many more. On the outside, the user only has to choose the type of waveform. That waveform just gets layered inside. I could be completely wrong here, so please correct me if I am 😉
rlahalla ·
Actually, I'm pretty sure I just stated exactly what stefan did in different word. Now thats good plagiarism if I've ever seen it 🙂
markdeaton ·
I'm sure you're right since that's the only logical explanation. I'll do some experimenting tonight. I just wonder if the saws should be detuned internally as well. Doesn't seem like a good idea to layer them internally without slightly detuning them. This is all speculation since I'm at work today so I'll post some results tonight.
stefan ·
markdeaton wrote: I'm sure you're right since that's the only logical explanation. I'll do some experimenting tonight. I just wonder if the saws should be detuned internally as well. Doesn't seem like a good idea to layer them internally without slightly detuning them. This is all speculation since I'm at work today so I'll post some results tonight.
You have to detune them internally, otherwise it's just like raising the volume.
rlahalla ·
cool, thanks stefan 🙂
AngularMomentum ·
I am doing it like this, I will make the schematic soon available! You can easily alter it to have more osc's
AngularMomentum ·
Oh and try this made by Shifrin:
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markdeaton ·
Says I need "special access". I haven't purchased SM, still evaluating. Not that I really know how to evaluate it, but I always wait a bit anyway before purchasing things heh.
AngularMomentum ·
I will make the schematic available when I have released the plugin, which I release in a few days. Can you PM me your email addy, I will send you a part of the schematic this evening?
AngularMomentum ·
markdeaton wrote: Says I need "special access". I haven't purchased SM, still evaluating. Not that I really know how to evaluate it, but I always wait a bit anyway before purchasing things heh.
I hear where you are coming from, I just think with SM the sooner you buy, the better it is. 😉
markdeaton ·
PM coming to you, thank you very much!
angstrom ·
Adventus was made in SE and uses multiple stacked oscillators.
Gino Cote (on SE yahoo group) wrote: Re: How to make fatter sound. Hi You can add some OSC or use Unisson (like the Unison Module from Chris Kerry)
I choose to add OSC to Adventus VSTI to make sound fatter because i wanted a fat sound even as mono mod unlike Unison Have to be Poly.
Cheer Gino Adventus
markdeaton ·
Any ideas on how much to detune each wave? 8 total for example.
angstrom ·
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close, you could work out a solution from there. Thats a mono synth with 4 stacked oscilators for the price of one.
the voice components are pretty new so I would expect a little development there at some point. That would help
AngularMomentum ·
Email sent, I will check into the packing and unpacking bizniz Angstrom, looks promising!
jobro ·
Better get it before the end of August. That long lasts the early adoptions prise if I'm not wrong.
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