audiooak module pack V1.1 - 260 modules for synthmaker

Tom7777 · 9 May 2006

Cool 😀

rl · 10 May 2006

what's that? forum spam? 😉

skOre · 10 May 2006

😀

micron · 14 May 2006

Hi Skore, is there a description of the modules included in your pack ?

I've tried on audiooak.net, but i've not found detailed infos.

Thanks

Salvatore

skOre · 14 May 2006

I thought about adding detailed description and this underlines that it may be neccessary. Will see to do that soon!

Tom7777 · 15 May 2006

I've tried on audiooak.net, but i've not found detailed infos.

Yeah if your not a registered user i don't think its possible to see whats on there, theres a new page with whats on at the moment but that needs to be updated i think also as i have added more plugins now 🙂

skOre · 15 May 2006

Sorry for the late answer.

I set up this page, which covers the internals: Link

Hope you find what you are looking for 😉

Btw micron - I noticed that you tried to register yourself. You can log in and will be instantly forwarded to the subscription page. If you abandoned your data, I can still delete it so that you can re-register - just drop me a line 🙂

db · 15 May 2006

skOre wrote: Sorry for the late answer.

I set up this page, which covers the internals: Link

Hope you find what you are looking for 😉

Are there any plans to price products individually?

I may be interested in the Skore module pack, but I'm not interested in anything else right now. I also have no desire to get a subscription. Maybe eventually a subscription would be a good deal for the user, but right now I don't feel like subscribing for months at a time when all I want is one product.

Also, the subscription prices in Eur are a bit expensive by the time the Eur gets converted to Cdn $, I would be paying 90 Eur =

skOre · 15 May 2006

Then why don't you just subscribe for 3 months, which is 30€ ?

And no, there are no plans to price products individually, that not what its all about 🙂

db · 15 May 2006

skOre wrote: Then why don't you just subscribe for 3 months, which is 30€ ?

And no, there are no plans to price products individually, that not what its all about 🙂

Thanks, but no sale. I'm not interested in a subscription and paying for stuff I don't want.

The module pack looks interesting if it was priced individually and at a reasonable price.

Whatever.

skOre · 15 May 2006

Well, then I hope that in the future we will be able to offer enough value to tempt you 😉

Just to make that clear here also: We do also offer one-time fees, so you would not have to actually subscribe, but could pay for a certain amount of time once.

db · 15 May 2006

skOre wrote: Well, then I hope that in the future we will be able to offer enough value to tempt you 😉

Just to make that clear here also: We do also offer one-time fees, so you would not have to actually subscribe, but could pay for a certain amount of time once.

And what would you define as ' a certain amount of time?' It's not very clear on the web site.

BTW-is the Skore pack GPL? I'm really NOT interested in opening THAT can of worms.

skOre · 15 May 2006

heh, no, its not GPL (I am frightened by having you call it a can of worms though 😉). Most of it is public domain and some (read as: about a dozen) are marked as CC license: Attribution.

I am not quite sure what you mistunderstood on this page, but the one time fees are just the same as for subscriptions. We just offer subscriptions as they are more convenient.

db · 15 May 2006

skOre wrote: heh, no, its not GPL (I am frightened by having you call it a can of worms though 😉). Most of it is public domain and some (read as: about a dozen) are marked as CC license: Attribution.

I am not quite sure what you mistunderstood on this page, but the one time fees are just the same as for subscriptions. We just offer subscriptions as they are more convenient.

My perception was because I thought you meant that there was another one time option, which wasn't on the web page.

So it seems that even if the user only wants one item he will be obliged to pay for 3 months subscription, which is 30 Eur? That seems rather expensive. For example, Prodyon Ironizer is 16.95 Eur on his site, but on your site a person would be obliged to pay a minimum of 30 Eur even if Ironizer was the only synth of interest.

Just to clarify:

So you don't license the Skore pack modules as GPL? If not, is the user obliged to offer his osm as part of the release because it was made with your modules?

Good Luck with your business model.

db · 15 May 2006

duplicate

skOre · 15 May 2006

Well, I said no, its not GPL, and I am well aware of the effects surrounding it. And we had our fair share of discussion on this matter here.

Yet you get me completely wrong. We do not sell this software, please read our tour! If you did understand the OpenSource Aspect of our business model, you'd see that its completely different to classic commercial distribution and thus can not compared to it. Apart from that, I know that if you do compare it to the direct commercial counter-value (or whatever you want to call it), its not exactly fitting right now. Yet I think that 30 Euros is the normal price for a decent plugin, and I try to build up that theres a lot more later down the road. Of course its a little hard for me to argue with that right now 😉

So atm I can only say that there will be more stuff on the platform, so that there is at least enough on that people like you will find a good value for at least the thirty bucks.

thanks for the wishes. You're welcomned to join as a developer (I like Rebels 😉 )

db · 15 May 2006

skOre wrote: Well, I said no, its not GPL, and I am well aware of the effects surrounding it. And we had our fair share of discussion on this matter here.

Yet you get me completely wrong.

Ya, guess I did. Don't know how I got that impression, but I don't remember reading that thread before. <shrug>

We do not sell this software, please read our tour! If you did understand the OpenSource Aspect of our business model, you'd see that its completely different to classic commercial distribution and thus can not compared to it.

Oh please-you're playing with words here. Call it a subscription if you like, rather than selling software, but if you have a price on it, you're selling it. Or providing a market place for others to sell-whatever!)

... theres a lot more later down the road. Of course its a little hard for me to argue with that right now 😉

It most certainly is, based on what's available right now. Don't get me wrong-it may well be good value later. But we've seen it all too often by other business -promises of future value that never materializes. Not saying that you are like that, only that cynicism born of experience has a reason in many cases. Once bitten, twice shy! 🙂

skOre · 15 May 2006

Ok, so I guess I can't say anything against your bad experiences 😉

But I must insist on the fine distinction between subscribing to the platform any buying software off it. I know that in the end, its about that people get the software. But everything else is just completely different. From the actual pricing (it will only differ by the amount of time you subscribe and not by the amount of software you get) to the pool-based paying of the developers.

This is not about playing with words, if you tell things like this, you could say that OpenSource would be about the same thing as proprietary software because users can't use the source code anyways, or that they were bound to the support by the developers. There is a lot more going on within the system I have thought up for this platform. One can always reduce something until it looks like something else, but I don't find very convincing in this case.

But I would be interested - what business-promises are you speaking of?

skOre · 15 May 2006

db wrote: Just to clarify:

So you don't license the Skore pack modules as GPL? If not, is the user obliged to offer his osm as part of the release because it was made with your modules?

Another question here - No, if there is no license, I can hardly force anybody into any, right? That would be CC share-alike I guess 😉

db · 15 May 2006

skOre wrote: But I must insist on the fine distinction between subscribing to the platform any buying software off it.

Semantics. People do not care if goods are made available by truck or by rail delivery in a store. All they care is that the goods are available and the price of those goods.

But I would be interested - what business-promises are you speaking of?

Not you-it goes on all the time. Think of the .com companies a few years ago. They were promising the moon, but delivered very little. That's all. <shrug>

BTW-I just went to:

http://www.audiooak.net/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=19

One of the 'Benefits' listed is that 'its a community of developers'. This concerns me a bit because the SM community is not yet that large. Synthmaker.com forums are the community and offering another focus would seem to only serve to dilute the community. Or is there something that you feel that the SM community here does not offer? (I'm talking about discussion, sharing, helping; not selling subscriptions or products.)

skOre · 15 May 2006

second sentence: yes, I was asking for other businesses... just trying to see whether it is something specific that you are thinking of.

last q: Well, at a lot of times the problem has arisen, that all is fine and well here, yet there was always this barrier, that people would not go beyond a certain point of openness since they were up to make money with their creations. This is of course perfectly fine. My idea is just basically a hack to this system, building a bubble (hopefully not made off soap and water 😉) that developers can move in completely free. (As they know that everything they do will benefit to the pool that they get paid from.)

So no, I don't offer anything beyond that (a few extras maybe webspace, forums etc. - but thats just peanuts), just a place where nothing gets in the way.

db · 15 May 2006

skOre wrote: last q: Well, at a lot of times the problem has arisen, that all is fine and well here, yet there was always this barrier, that people would not go beyond a certain point of openness since they were up to make money with their creations. This is of course perfectly fine. My idea is just basically a hack to this system, building a bubble (hopefully not made off soap and water 😉) that developers can move in completely free. (As they know that everything they do will benefit to the pool that they get paid from.)

It's not just making money, there are human factors that could and will effect your site as well. The barriers could well go up because of the human factors include the desire for recognition, pride, how one might relate to certain other users,etc,etc. Silly people stuff.

skOre · 15 May 2006

Thats true, but if it were that grave, OpenSource could hardly work as it does, right? I may sound too idealistic here, but I presume that people are indeed smarter than that. Although it is indeed a tough job to give them the right prerequisites to not be too stupid 😉

Tom7777 · 15 May 2006

One of the 'Benefits' listed is that 'its a community of developers'. This concerns me a bit because the SM community is not yet that large. Synthmaker.com forums are the community and offering another focus would seem to only serve to dilute the community. Or is there something that you feel that the SM community here does not offer?

Its not about just Synthmaker though thats just one of the platforms it supports, you have to remeber the project has only just started and at some point there will be more devs more synthmaker source files, SE source files, coded projects as well as full version VSTI and VSTs. It may not seem amazing value for your money at the moment but i can definately say at some point the 30 subscription fee will offer you alot for your money.

micron · 15 May 2006

i think it's an interesting and useful project

db · 16 May 2006

skOre wrote: Thats true, but if it were that grave, OpenSource could hardly work as it does, right? I may sound too idealistic here, but I presume that people are indeed smarter than that. Although it is indeed a tough job to give them the right prerequisites to not be too stupid 😉

I wouldn't say 'grave', just some realities as to what motivates people to put up 'barriers' <shrug>

db · 16 May 2006

Tom7777 wrote: Its not about just Synthmaker though thats just one of the platforms it supports, you have to remeber the project has only just started and at some point there will be more devs more synthmaker source files, SE source files, coded projects as well as full version VSTI and VSTs.

Really? Oh, ok, that's different then. With all the talk about it round here on the SM forums, and skore being a long time SM forum participant, I figured it was mainly SM.

It may not seem amazing value for your money at the moment but i can definately say at some point the 30 subscription fee will offer you alot for your money.

I believe I said similar elsewhere above. Yes, time will tell and it may well become an exceptional bargain.

skOre · 16 May 2006

Stupid me always forgetting to say half of the stuff 😉

Yes it is indeed completely open to every kind of programming you can think of!

skOre · 24 May 2006

...is available through subscription on audiooak.net

What is audiooak? What else do you I get in my subscription (and more to come!)

Boasting a total of 260 Modules, the audiooak module pack (formerly known as skOre module pack) is a collection of modules from the synthmaker forums ranging the past two years and additions by audiooak.

List of modules

little bump for new site and stuff 🙂

Please tell if that image gallery lightbox thing on the module pack page works for you. IE works fine, but with FF I somehow can open it, but can't select the close button...

Tom7777 · 24 May 2006

What else do you I get in my subscription

I just noticed the prodyon title should go lower down, i made multi delay but it looks like its listed as there software. So please edit that, thanks 🙂

skOre · 24 May 2006

I'm currently restructuring this page anyways 😉

rl · 25 May 2006

Hi Skore,

in case the lpf18+dist filter of your module pack is still the same I posted in this forum some time ago, please remove it from the module pack. When I did the work (port from a SyncModular ensemble) it wasn't ment to be part of a commercial distribution.

skOre · 25 May 2006

Uh, all right, removed it. I understood it was a port from a general module and not one of yours...

cAPSLOCK · 6 Jun 2006

I only wish I had kept the file I downloaded a few weeks ago back when it was non subscription.

I have my credit card out to buy SM as an early adopter, and came here to download the module pack so I could start with something that would help me get a handle on the software.

I certainly don't have a problem with you wanting to make some dough for your work. But at the time I cannot afford both SM and the module pack. 😉 To tell the truth, I am wondering if I should go down this road at all at the moment. I most likely will, I suppose, and when finances allow I might also buy a subscription at your site, I don't know.

Should have kept that old module pack!!!

Tom7777 · 8 Jun 2006

Thats the way things go i guess, welcome to the forum cAPSLOCK 🙂

cAPSLOCK · 12 Jun 2006

Thanks for the welcome.

Yes, so it goes. 🙂

But for what it's worth, it was the deciding factor in me NOT buying Synthmaker.

I own Synthedit, and have developed a pretty good collection of working code there. And I can write plugins in delphi. This will remain good enough for now.

I do think SM looks like a good product. And I am sure the module pack is a valuable resource.

But I have quite a problem with monthly subscritopns in general, and perhaps I am looking for something that shouldn't exist. A clearly 'open source' library of modules. This only does good for SM.

Of course I have no problem with commercial module packs either.

Something like synthmaker is made SO much more valuable by a library of modules.

There are guys over on the SE side that have developed large module libraries. And they sell them. Thing is, as far as I know it is a reasonable one time charge that includes updates, and the more important thing is these modules are the code of that SINGLE developer.

Correct me, if I am wrong, but this module pack includes a large number of modules posted here by folks who developed them for the community.

Also, I understand the problems of maintaining a library and paying for bandwidth.

I don't know if you guys have ever been over to noisevault.com and downloaded impulses. That is my site.

Perhaps I should consider a subscrition too. It would surely get me off my butt to post the reams of impulses that I have sitting on my heard drive waiting to be organized and uploaded. 😉

One way or the other I will likely lurk around here, it's a fun forum. And who knows... maybe I will change my mind.

take care, cAPS

Shifrin · 12 Jun 2006

For what it's worth, I can totally understand why you feel the way you do. skOre does offer a 'one off payment' type as opposed to a subscription but I agree it would be better for SM if there was a totally free module pack of some sort. At least until the devs add more mid/higher-level stuff for the V1.0 release.

Shif.

skOre · 12 Jun 2006

Hey cAPS,

Yes, the pack contains a lot of modules of members of this board, but they are mostly available somewhere for free still. It also contains a lot of modules that I have built myself, and does help a lot when wanting 'this' or 'that' special thing, but can't figure out how it could be done. I consider the main effect of this library that people can learn a lot from it, see how others solved special problems and adopt a good way of working or develop a new way of doing things.

As for the subscription issue itself - see it as a one-time payment - you get a lot of stuff for paying once, and if you see that there is new stuff coming along, you can still choose to become a subscriber. I think the pricing may still be a bit high for what is on there _now_, but there will be lots of new stuff in the coming three months that will be worth a lot more than that.

I see that you use joomla! for your site too, I am developer for the component that does my paypal subscriptions, the Account Expiration Control. It is a majorly sweet thing, if you can live without CB and JACL (for now).