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Nu Audio Science ·
In the last two years or so has anybody noticed how shit KVR is ?
Seems to be loads and loads of people hanging out just to cause arguements.
Just wondering what peoples thoughts on this are, Is there an upturn all over the net in this sort of behaviour or not ?
It seems there are an overwhelming amount of people online who have very very high opinions of themselves and there abilities, I first noticed it on gaming sites, Recently though i have noticed it becoming a problem on Audio and GFX communities.
Now i'm not saying it didn't happen before but there seems to be an increase in it in the last two years.
I recently had a problem at KVR whereby somebody came into a forum for a particular piece of software and started saying how it should be more like such n such, Now maybe i'm getting old but it used to be that forum etiquette would stop you from even thinking of doing this, Now when i pointed this out as being disrespectful i got flamed silly by a couple of people (One of which i know doesnt even use the software hahahhahaahha)
Some might say it's newbs or youg uns or whatever but a couple of these people are actually older than me hahahaha.
Just wondering what peoples thoughts on this where now that the Americans have passed this multinational upgrade on the forum activity laws (Basically means if you flame someone and cause them mental harm, You can be tracked and taken to court anywhere in the world) I know they have had this law for a month or two just in the US but now it has been agreed upon by multiple nations (Not the UK yet, Wont be long though)
angstrom ·
it's common everywhere, not just kvr.
I like to imagine the virtual flame wars as they would really take place, in real physical life.
there's a site with all the forum personality types on,
I quite like the idea of being the "evil clown", mainly because of his picture 🙂
it's getting bad everywhere...
people can't handle rejection, even while they live by Relativism.
stefan ·
I haven't really noticed that much of a difference, apart from myself getting older 🙂 Some people have bad days, others easily get worked up in forums. It's always been like that.
Tom7777 ·
Yeah good point NAS i noticed this too, i think alot of people on KVR will start arguements and always think that they are right and know best, this happens all over the internet though i think. I don't really post on KVR anymore but usually read alot of stuff and i notice this all the time, this forum has not really had that many arguments which i think is good, as most of us are developers i think we have a greater respect for each other as we know how much work can go into synths and effects which i think is the main reason. 🙂
stefan ·
Tom7777 wrote: Yeah good point NAS i noticed this too, i think alot of people on KVR will start arguements and always think that they are right and know best, this happens all over the internet though i think.
But for this to happen, both parties of the argument must think that they are right and know best 🙂 That's the irony of the whole thing.
To be fair, I myself has participated in a whole bunch of such arguments 🙂
skOre ·
Heh, maybe we should work out a couple of rules and set them inofficially for this forum, like:
- As we are discussing musical taste, it is not possible to tell whether a tool for making music is best or worse. People also have different goals for their music, so don't try to force your goals on other people.
stefan ·
skOre wrote: Heh, maybe we should work out a couple of rules and set them inofficially for this forum, like:
- As we are discussing musical taste, it is not possible to tell whether a tool for making music is best or worse. People also have different goals for their music, so don't try to force your goals on other people.
Yes it is, no they don't, yes I will!
angstrom ·
rules don't really help as people tend to ingnore them or be unaware of them.
Take a simple forum with sections for "Ask for help" and one for "Post your tips".
half the users will post requests for help in "post your tips", that's just the nature of humanity, a bit stupid!
I advise reading a Desmond Morris book to get a better perspective on why people are so rude to each other on the internet. Mainly it's about seeing people as 'objects' not as another human.
I read "The Human Zoo" last year and have been banging on about it ever since 🙂
Shifrin ·
People hide behind their computers, say things they might not necessarily say face to face - that's been my experience since I started using it back in '96. Maybe people just want to vent their everyday-life frustrations and do so on the net. Dunno. I tend not to partake in such discussions, I'd rather sit back and laugh from the sidelines 😉
It's so easy to read something someone says and take it the 'wrong way' as there is no intonation to hear, no body language or facial expressions to see - I think people often take things the wrong way due to being overly defensive. The internet can leave you vulnerable and wide open to attack!!
Anyways, enough of my ramblings 😉
Shif.
Nu Audio Science ·
I dunno i just believe it is insecurity at some level, I'm sure these people are acting how they would like to act in real life but are too scared to.
I can sort of see Stephs point that it takes two but that is not actually true, Some people are there specifically to do this sort of thing.
Take my example above, This same person who kicked off with me is still in the same thread at the moment kicking off with anyone who disagrees with his opinion, He isn't being polite and is really enjoying name calling but the particular forum i am speaking of does not normally have any of this crap and i expect the thread will burn itself out rather than get deleted.
The point i'm making is that these people have no respect for the human race as a hole and once online you just become a line of text for them to interact with, Kinda like an old text based adventure.
I think the mindset that has been imposed by todays society is breeding this way of acting and i also believe that eventually it will leave the monitor and keyboard and take to the streets, In the UK we have an upturn in violent crime that the government (NWO) would have you believe is due to computer games (Funny really because before that it was violence on TV)
I honestly am starting to think that online communities are effecting people more than they think, Possibly even more than real life interaction does.
doug4350 ·
Sometimes good comebacks are in order. I belong to a forum with a lot of primadona's on it. A newb came on and asked a question, which was in the manual that I don't think the writer could understand. Well, these guys started out with the basic rtfm response which resulted into several days of arguing back and forth (mainly amongst the primadona's) about don't waste other peoples time to help out a newb. Well I was getting tired of it and fired back (at the primadona's) to the effect that for not having enough time to help this guy out, you guys sure found enough time to argue about it for FIVE DAYS! 😀 The list was quiet for a few days 🙂 . I suppose some of the other lists where profanity & balloons spam prevails over all else, those would be fighting words, just depends on the environment of the list I guess.
I remember waaaayyyyy back in the olden bbs days similar mixed tastes. It was easier to tolerate back then because it was limited to geeks primarily, and only at 1200 baud 🙂 .
Aloha,
Doug
Nu Audio Science ·
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah i like posts that remind me of my Amiga hehehehehehe
infuzion ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah i like posts that remind me of my Amiga hehehehehehe
been there, done that 😉
doug4350 ·
been there, done that
Been there b-4 that 🙂 go back to the Commodore 64, Apple II, Trash .. I mean TRS-80. Z-80 assembly was my first low level language. A very cool cpu to crash on 😀
Aloha,
Doug
Shifrin ·
Hehe, small world. I remember feeling totally chuffed when I got my USR 14400 - spent a good few years on Amiga BBS's - Digital Candy being the best of them all for me 🙂
I never got too far with Z80, was just a little kid when I had my Spectrum, although I loved to type in Basic programs and those machine code listings in Your Sinclair - got further with 68000 but then went to uni and left the Amiga at home!
Shif.
doug4350 ·
We must be like techno brothers in arms or something like that. Those USR modems rocked! I remember when I got my Hayes V.42 and got flamed 'cause I took a chance that it'd take over the world 😀 . Good gear, but they suffered the Apple (or later, more realistically, Novell) fate. Someone was thinking of us guys on the front line, but the politicians weren't. 🙁
Hey, anyone been burned by losing files by turning off 'da machine with the floppy inside?.?. Yup us old back 'den yungsters learned well about 'lectricity then without surge protection 😉 . Nuthin' humbles you like that, having to type (Oh my *od 😮 ) back in a few hundred lines of code in 64k of ram 😠 😠 😠 . If you were clever, you could hack into the diskette and recover a lot of it. Nowadays, we're being protected from ourselves -- *BAH* .
This has been a nice chat down memory lane... Actually, being protected from ourselves has surprisingly given me more spare time from those "why doesn't this work" friends & relatives *phew*. 😈 They should've graduated 😀 😀 😀 .
Aloha,
Doug
Nu Audio Science ·
You bunch of geeks
It's no wonder i cant learn SM if it's designed for nutters like you lot 😈
angstrom ·
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down t'mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah!
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.
ALL:
They won't!
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