0_9_2 loading problem

jorge · 14 Mar 2005

Hi kingtubby

Thanks for reporting it so quickly after release. I'll try to find out what the problem is. We have just released version 0.9.2 so it's quite important for us to fix it before too many people have the same problem.

It is working fine on our machines, mine is an Intel Pentium M 1.6GHz Centrino running Windows XP.

If anyone else has ( or not ) the same problem it would be great to know.

jorge · 14 Mar 2005

kingtubby, did you install the new version to the default folder or on top of an older version? I'm just wondering if you had some older modules in the toolbox that could be causing the problem.

acousmod · 14 Mar 2005

Hi,

Exactly the same for me, with the CPU at 100 % and the computer nearly frozen ! After 10 minutes I've killed the task...

Oh, it was the first install on this computer (I keep the 0.9.1c on my laptop !)

WinXP Pro P4 2,4 GHz 512 Mo Ram RME Multiface Radeon 9250 128 Mo

beno · 14 Mar 2005

Loaded and plays the demo synth fine here on XP Pro, P4 laptop. Ben

Edit. And I did do a complete uninstall first of internal 0.9.1c

acousmod · 14 Mar 2005

New try on my laptop Centrino (I have made a copy of the last version before !) : no 100 % CPU (50 %) and not frozen, BUT SM continues to make some heavy "work" after several minutes and all the action like clicking or draging an object takes several seconds !

I've erased and put the not-so-old 0.9.1c : loded and working after two seconds...

jorge · 14 Mar 2005

Hi acousmod

acousmod wrote: New try on my laptop Centrino (I have made a copy of the last version before !) : no 100 % CPU (50 %) and not frozen, BUT SM continues to make some heavy "work" after several minutes and all the action like clicking or draging an object takes several seconds !

I've erased and put the not-so-old 0.9.1c : loded and working after two seconds...

That's very useful information.

Version 0.9.1e is very similar to 0.9.2 so if that works for you it will give us a very good clue to the origin of the problem, you can download it from:

[old link]

kingtubby · 14 Mar 2005

jorge wrote: kingtubby, did you install the new version to the default folder or on top of an older version? I'm just wondering if you had some older modules in the toolbox that could be causing the problem.

I did a clean install. I also had the same problem with Version 0.9.1e

sequencer · 14 Mar 2005

Hi Jorge, Malc

I'm getting this fault on my system in the usual error window.

The procedure entry point MiniDumpWrite could not be located in the dynamic link library dbghelp.dll

If I click ok not a lot else happens. Synthmaker does not open.

I'm running Windows 2000 AMD 3200 CPU

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acousmod · 14 Mar 2005

I did a clean install. I also had the same problem with Version 0.9.1e

not better 🙁

malc · 14 Mar 2005

Sorry about this people.

Looks like we introduced something between the 0.9.1c and 0.9.1e internal versions that didn't show up on radar here. Bear with us, we're on the case.

Thanks for letting us know so quickly.

Shifrin · 14 Mar 2005

sequencer wrote: I'm getting this fault on my system in the usual error window.

The procedure entry point MiniDumpWrite could not be located in the dynamic link library dbghelp.dll

If I click ok not a lot else happens. Synthmaker does not open.

I had the same problem with the 0.9.1c/0.9.1e betas (and I'm sure I mentioned it on the forum!), it's a missing .dll problem which can be easily solved.

You'll need to get the dbghelp.dll from somewhere, the latest version is contained in Microsofts debugging tools but a fairly large d/l just for a .dll. Maybe Jorge/Malc can include it in the next installer?!?!

I stuck the .dll in the same folder as the executable and it worked fine 🙂

Shif.

malc · 14 Mar 2005

Ok, we have two problems here. The dbghelp.dll problem is caused by a new crash reporting system (ironically designed to help with solving problems - it's not supposed to cause them). We're going to take this out and will post a new version online a.s.a.p.

The second problem is the hanging problem. We're looking at this right now. if you are experiencing this problem and have a moment, would you mind trying something for us: what we need you to do is go to the new 0.9.2 install folder and rename the example.osm file - call this 'example OLD.osm' say. Then try and run the software and see if you get a hang.

Thanks.

sequencer · 14 Mar 2005

Thanks Shif.

I was aware of how to solve the problem from your previous posting, however I thought it might be useful to Jorge and Malc to know that it had occurred.

If anyone else has this problem, you can get a download of the dll by googling for dbghelp.dll and going to dll-files.com. This gives you a zip file of approx 250Kb.

Just follow shif's instruction to install it and Bob's your Auntie's brother. 😀

Synthmaker now working for me, but then, I knew it would... 😀

sequencer

malc · 14 Mar 2005

Hi sequencer,

We've been trying that here on a W2K PC and it seeems to work well. As a result we're changing tack on the dbghelp.dll problem. We have an install with the dll included which I've just uploaded (replacing the one that's there).

Hopefully that will just leave the hanging problem now.

Thanks Shif by the way - you had mentioned this before and it got lost in the wash a bit - not usually like us.

Shifrin · 14 Mar 2005

Glad to hear things with dbghelp.dll sorted, I'm just about to get the 0.9.2 version and give it a try - I'll get back to you tomorrow with any problems or whatnot and will also try out renaming the example.osm if needed.

Thanks for the update 😀

Shif.

malc · 14 Mar 2005

Thanks Shif. Do you get the hanging problem as well then?

ik_ik_ik · 15 Mar 2005

Working fine over here - although I'll have to admit so far I've only fired it up to check it starts up OK. I did do a clean install as I've done in the past - also cleared down the modules directory before the new install and then moved the example into an osm subdirectory I've set up before firing it up.

Great to see the wavetable calculations zipping through in a second now 🙂

Had to explain to the guy next to me on a flight this evening what on earth I was doing when he caught sight of Synth Maker on my laptop 😀

Cheers,

Inigo

malc · 15 Mar 2005

Hi Inigo,

ik_ik_ik wrote: Had to explain to the guy next to me on a flight this evening what on earth I was doing when he caught sight of Synth Maker on my laptop

Cool 😀

The wavetable calcs are much quicker, but they are no longer done when you start up. Instead they are done when you need them. The main thing is that you don't really notice them happening which is great.

ik_ik_ik · 15 Mar 2005

malc wrote: Cool 😀

Even stranger was just now finding that my track is at the top of Carl Cox's current chart on carlcox.com 😮 (slightly OT but hey, doesn't happen every day)

malc wrote: The wavetable calcs are much quicker, but they are no longer done when you start up. Instead they are done when you need them. The main thing is that you don't really notice them happening which is great.

Yeah, you're right 🙂 I could have sworn I saw the calculating wavetables zip by at startup but turns out it was the toolbox loading. Doh!

Cheers,

Inigo

jorge · 15 Mar 2005

ik_ik_ik wrote: Even stranger was just now finding that my track is at the top of Carl Cox's current chart on carlcox.com 😮 (slightly OT but hey, doesn't happen every day)

That's really cool, is there a place we can download it from? or at least listen to some of it?

jorge · 15 Mar 2005

ik_ik_ik wrote: Had to explain to the guy next to me on a flight this evening what on earth I was doing when he caught sight of Synth Maker on my laptop 😀

🙂 I had a dream exactly like that just a couple of nights ago.

ik_ik_ik · 15 Mar 2005

jorge wrote: That's really cool, is there a place we can download it from? or at least listen to some of it?

I'm sure there's some clips around of that one - will have a look. Plenty other of my bits and pieces at www.inigokennedy.com or www.asymmetric.co.uk - I guess we've strayed OT a fair bit so PM for more 🙂

ik_ik_ik · 15 Mar 2005

jorge wrote: ik_ik_ik wrote: Had to explain to the guy next to me on a flight this evening what on earth I was doing when he caught sight of Synth Maker on my laptop 😀

🙂 I had a dream exactly like that just a couple of nights ago.

I hope the food was better in the dream though 😀

galaa · 15 Mar 2005

Everything seems to be working fine for me so far. My schematics from version (c) all work OK. I'll keep you posted if any problems start appearing

My work machine is: P4 1.8GHz Win XP 512 RAM

Shifrin · 15 Mar 2005

malc wrote: Thanks Shif. Do you get the hanging problem as well then?

Nope, runs silky smooth - great update 🙂

Shif.

acousmod · 15 Mar 2005

Hi,

I've made a new essai with the new version of the 9_2 installer on my laptop : like yesterday, it takes about 20 seconds to open the window and show the objects and SM continues to have an activity so every action (like a click) needs about 8 seconds to perform. I have not retry on my other PC !

The 1c version runs always fine.

I never had the message that was reported since the dbghelp.dll file was present.

malc · 15 Mar 2005

Hi acousmod,

Have you tried renaming the example file? Go to the 0.9.2 install folder and just rename example.osm, then run SynthMaker and see if it runs ok.

If it does run ok, can you try dragging in a Direct Sound component (from the External group). If everything is still ok select the first device on the Direct Sound Component. Let me know what happens.

Thanks for your help.

acousmod · 15 Mar 2005

You're right : SM loads well with no example. Thanks.

I've tried to open it after, but it freeze SM too. So, I will not look at the example...

Question : some new beta components have appeared in the 9_1c (like ASIO !) and have disapeared in the 9_2. Is there a possibility to test them ?

jorge · 15 Mar 2005

Hi acousmod

acousmod wrote: You're right : SM loads well with no example. Thanks.

I've tried to open it after, but it freeze SM too. So, I will not look at the example...

Question : some new beta components have appeared in the 9_1c (like ASIO !) and have disapeared in the 9_2. Is there a possibility to test them ?

Malc found the most probable cause of the bug and fixed it. It would be great if you could confirm that the fix works for you too. The new fixed version is online now on top of the previous one: [old link]

Basically the code had a limit of 8 Midi input devices and would hang if you had more than 8. So I suspect you have more than 8 Midi input devices.

Version 0_9_1c had many internal alpha components in the toolbox. Alpha components are just very initial versions, sometimes only the component symbol without any functionality. If there is a component in particular you'd like, let us know and we'll do our best to release it as beta rather than alpha. Many of those alpha components have been promoted to beta and are now available in version 0_9_2, just make sure you go to the settings and set the beta components to show in the toolbox.

jorge · 15 Mar 2005

It seems the fix might not have fixed it but we still think the bug might be related with having more than 8 midi input devices. So if anyone has more than 8 midi input devices with SM working fine, or less than 8 and hanging, it would be very helpful for us to know. Actually, even someone with more than 8 midi inputs and SM hanging would be useful to know too.

malc · 16 Mar 2005

Ok, I think it's working now. I've uploaded over the current install so just use the latest download link and let me know what happens.

Fingers all crossed here 😉

acousmod · 16 Mar 2005

Malc found the most probable cause of the bug and fixed it. It would be great if you could confirm that the fix works for you too. Basically the code had a limit of 8 Midi input devices and would hang if you had more than 8. So I suspect you have more than 8 Midi input devices.

Loads fine now on the two systems ! Concerning the numer of MIDI inputs, there is 9 on the Shuttle (the one that frozen), and only 5 on the laptop.

If there is a component in particular you'd like, let us know and we'll do our best to release it as beta rather than alpha.

The ASIO i/o gives me the ability to test the multi-ouputs function, which is, for me, together with the VST effect export, what I was waiting for. So, yes, it will be nice to have it as a working beta.

Thanks for all !

malc · 16 Mar 2005

acousmod wrote: Loads fine now on the two systems !

That's great to hear 🙂

sarcazm · 21 Mar 2005

Unfortunately hangs on opening on my system (yet to try renaming the example file)

Downloaded a few days ago, but assume it is the most recent version.

Am unsure if the dual sound cards are a problem.

Centrino 2.0 1 gig ram 80 gig drive XP Pro Serv Pak 2 Internal basic sound card Indigo I/O

malc · 21 Mar 2005

Hi sarcazm,

Welcome to the forum. Sorry to hear that you have problems. It sounds very much like the problem others have been seing here. If you downloaded a few days ago then you most probably have the version with the fix but I would suggest that you download againjust to make sure.

If you still have problems do try renaming the example file and let me know what happens.

I'm sure we can get this sorted for you very soon.

Thanks.

sarcazm · 24 Mar 2005

tried to rename the example file, but am still unable to load the SM.

Checking under Task Manager, I note that the memory continues to rise, but there is no processor activity.

Thx

malc · 24 Mar 2005

Hi sarcazm,

I just want to check I've got this straight. After booting up and renaming the example file you then sun SM and it hangs on startup?

Go to the SynthMaker install directory. There should be a folder called Recovery. Delete any files inside this folder before running SynthMaker.

You might also want to download the latest version from here: [old link]