Imported module/display doesnt show up on top level...

stefan · 24 Feb 2006

What modules did you add? Maybe they used the old toparent/tochild system for GUI connections, if so, you must change the MGUI connectors inside those modules to be wireless connections.

angstrom · 24 Feb 2006

... it had a wave display as part of it. I hit the + to add it to the toolbox,

I guess you mean the + under the module itself, but just incase .... the little + above the toolbox doesn't add selected modules to the toolbox, it adds a new category to the toolbox. to add a module to the toolbax, drag it in - that usually works fine.

🙂

stefan · 24 Feb 2006

There's a + in the little menu you get when you select a module as well, and THAT one adds the module to the toolbox. You don't have to drag them there if you don't want to 🙂 No doubt, this was the + that MindsEye was talking about.

MindsEye · 24 Feb 2006

On the bottom of any given item in the little menu with the eye and properties and make module etc...

I used a FM synth module that was posted to the user thingies in the forum here. It was from an older post, it has an Ableton live looking interface. I will put a screen cap on my server, but I shut the server down for my move tonight in like 8 hours. Hopefully you see it before..

//MindsEye - Wow you guys are fast at responding! Impressive support work guys!

http://digitalalchemy.myftp.org/capture.jpg http://digitalalchemy.myftp.org/capture2.jpg shows MGUI with wireless already it appears. Also the Wave Display doesnt let me go lower into the module itself.

http://digitalalchemy.myftp.org/demo_fm_test.osm if you want the schematic itself.

angstrom · 24 Feb 2006

aha, first off - that's my FM synth, so 🙂

second - thats the SM wave display, it's already in your tool box, so you can't add it again. It's for testing purposes, you'll notice it doesn't have a V input, so you cant use it on a GUI.

You can make your own, take a look at the one in this simple synth as an example.

DOWNLOAD SIMPLE SYNTH WITH WAVE VIEW

stefan · 24 Feb 2006

MindsEye wrote: http://digitalalchemy.myftp.org/capture.jpg http://digitalalchemy.myftp.org/capture2.jpg shows MGUI with wireless already it appears. Also the Wave Display doesnt let me go lower into the module itself.

http://digitalalchemy.myftp.org/demo_fm_test.osm if you want the schematic itself.

There should be an wireless input for the MGUI as well, not just output. Try that!

MindsEye · 24 Feb 2006

I didnt realise I needed the V there.. but in retrospect.. seems logical. Thanks for the link, I will check it out... I am not at the "make my own" level yet.. still learning how things go together... I will keep on trucking and see if I can get my head around this wireless output thing next...

Also, angstrom, nice work with the FM synth, it sounds nice... I am a fan of FM so i wanted to play with it.. I assumed because it was there for download that that was ok. (I am not publishing anything I am only trying to learn!) My goal is to learn enough about the software to make the VSTi for my research thesis in case there is no brave soul willing to help me with it. (kind of boring project for most I guess, so I dont expect much.)

I really dont get the wireless business, but I havent really read much on it yet... I will try and figgure out what you mean stefan. Hopefully it is not as complicated as it looks.

I have been playing around with the skin design part (as I am sure you noticed) I am more in my element in PhotoShop having been a gfx designer... it all seems straightforward except where it comes to wireless things for colors... that has me confused I must say... but I am off to read a bit on the wireless bit now..

Thanks again for the lightning fast responses! //MindsEye

MindsEye · 24 Feb 2006

Thanks stefan.. that did the trick! But I have to say... I am stumped as to how these wireless things know WHAT they are connecting to... doesnt seem to be any properties for them... at the risk of sounding like a dweeb, how do they know?

For example http://digitalalchemy.myftp.org/capture3.jpg

All those little color tabs with wireless connectors... how do they know WHICH wireless bit on the level above they should connect to?

///MindsEye

oddson · 24 Feb 2006

wireless connectors have to be of the same type and have the exact same name and the sender must be directly above the receiver in the module hierarchy...

angstrom · 24 Feb 2006

its the name of the wireless connector, if the receiver has the same name and is of the same type - they will make a connection.

if you dont name them, any connection of the same type will connect - well there are a few more rules, but that's the general theory. 🙂

MindsEye · 24 Feb 2006

that was actually very logical.. (my intuition was telling me there was some text box I wasnt seeing where i had to define a variable.)

This way was actually easier! Man I really am impressed with this software guys... excellent job. Seems like a monstrous task to create it. Kudos.

You have one guaranteed follower! I havent been this impressed with a program since TheBrain (Also a simply amazing piece of software... genius)

I have been installing a Tracker soft for documentaries on one of my private sites, had some problems, and posted to thier forum... 8 days ago. Still not one reply. A simple question about what port it uses... I get responses from you guys in minutes!, and they are all usefull answers to the problem, and not RTFM or such replies... (ok you dont really have a manual yet, but you know what I mean!)

What more can I say... rock on!

///MindsEye

oddson · 24 Feb 2006

I have been installing a Tracker soft for documentaries on one of my private sites, had some problems, and posted to thier forum... 8 days ago. Still not one reply.

SM has the advantage of unpaid zealots and not just employees to answer questions. 😉

MindsEye · 24 Feb 2006

Well, I have a lot of experience with graphic design (was PhotoShop & Multimedia production teacher for a few years). I did the first interface for a now extinct (i think) mp3 player called Kjofol (If you are familiar with the program, I did the chromy bubbly interface) I used 3dstudio Max and PhotoShop for that. and have done lots of other interfaces for webs and other projects.

If I can help in anyway with graphics or interfaces for you or your zealots, just say the word and I am glad to help out! I think its fun to do.

Let me know, and I will try to be as fast helping you as you have been helping me. I have seen a lot of horrific graphics here and there on things posted here. (I wont mention any in particular.. your eyes tell you.) I am starting now with the basics in SynthMaker (knob changing is a good place to start I guess) some of the ways things seem to be set up are still scary to me, but if they are as logical as the wireless thing, should be no problem... off I go to study some...

///MindsEye

Shifrin · 24 Feb 2006

Just thought I'd say hi to you MindsEye, and thanks for your kind offer to help with graphics 🙂

Shif.

MindsEye · 25 Feb 2006

Ok.. I been off experimenting, slapped together a pidge-podge of a synth that probably has a million things wrong with it, but the thing I noticed happens most is that when I either a: load the synth in Synthmaker or load the exported VST in my host app, the first note is an ear piercing cacophany, then I have to choose a different preset, then hit a note, then I can go back to the default start up preset and it will work.

Granted I am a total newb at this, and I am sure there are tons of things wrong with my synth (all the individual parts work fine) but that seems to be a bug.

Heres the schematic if anyone wants to take a look and see what I am referring to. http://digitalalchemy.myftp.org/demo_experiment6.osm

I figgured out pretty much everything as far as getting thins in thier places, but the sound leaves a lot to be desired compared to the base demo synth I built on...

Other than the bug, here are some probs I have with this experiment... - second FM (right side) is weak but builds to almost overload quick - if you press a few notes at once it also turns to noisy crapola - the second FM display shows little at first, but if you turn up the bottom right amplitude slider all the way to max, you get some action in the graph, but it builds to mad levels fast. - tried to use the ableton type buttons on the other ones ALL DAY can not get my head around this paste synchronized business which is apparently how to change the knobs

All I really want to know is how you would go about cleaning up the sound... I am sure it is something obvious to you gurus... but this is a pretty complicated program for someone to jump into. IMHO. (But it rocks!) I am determined to learn it. Only been at it a few days...

Oh, and how to I get the right FM to come to the front, if I want to put a background behind it... it works with the other parts, but not the right FM it stays buried behind the image, and theres no right click option to bring it to the front.

Remember, I am just learning.. go easy on me!

//MindsEye

oddson · 25 Feb 2006

It's majorly disorganized and shows its origins as other peoples projects cludged together but is it ever fun to play with! 🙂

You've got some interesting interactions between all these different pieces.

Great fun... but you might want to try a smaller, more focused project next.

sambean · 25 Feb 2006

First thing I noticed is that you've got 3 preset managers.. Not sure if that's allowed or not..

To change lots of old knobs that are the same:

Get the module you want to change them to, go into the first level of the module then select all and copy..

Right-click on one of the old knobs and select 'synchronise all'. They will now all be synchronised so any changes you make to one will happen to all..

Go into the first level of an old knob, select all, delete, then paste..

Hey presto, all the old knobs are now the new knobs, they will be need to be reconnected though, to leave the connections in place do the same but leave the module in/out connections in place..