Graph Create

rl · 19 Sept 2005

oddson wrote: Does anyone have an example of how to use the "Graph Create" component?

hava a look at the LFO implementation in the example synth

oddson · 20 Sept 2005

rl wrote: ..hava a look at the LFO implementation in the example synth

At the expense of looking more stupid than usual:

The what now? 😕

Do you mean the "Classic synth" If so; the 'scopes all use the analyser like virtually every other example I can find.

Followup question - is there any difference between the float array and graph data types?

rl · 20 Sept 2005

oddson wrote: The what now? 😕

example.osm in your install folder. The one that is loaded automatically on startup

oddson · 20 Sept 2005

rl wrote: ...The one that is loaded automatically on startup

😕 😮 Oh.. 😊

That hasn't loaded on startup since day 1.

I remember playing with it and being completely intimidated by the seemingly endless nesting of modules that I couldn't grasp. It doesn't look quite as intimidating now (3 months later).

(BTW- it's freezing with a note hanging regularly - anyone else having trouble with it?)

I do see the component in question is used here. It will take me a while to figure out how it's being used. Thanks for helping me out.

And the other thing: As data types is there any difference between a float array and a graph? They both seem to be an indexed array of floating point data. Am I off base on this?

(EDIT - seems to be just what I originally thought - my problems in making it work must lay elsewhere as I was feeding it data correctly.)

stefan · 20 Sept 2005

oddson wrote: (BTW- it's freezing with a note hanging regularly - anyone else having trouble with it?)

When? When adjusting envelope values?

oddson · 20 Sept 2005

stefan wrote: When? When adjusting envelope values?

When? - lot's of times, lots of situations. Playing with the LFO bar graphs while notes are being played is an almost surefire freeze.

I unhooked the sound out / midi in just to get inside it to play with the graph component to figure it out.

Really unstable but I'm not sure how much of it is this schematic or how much is something going on with my machine.

I've had lots of freezes with really complex schematics lately.

The wife likes to install 'fun' stuff on our machine much to my chagrin and it could be something very specific to my setup.

But since you're here... do I have the graph thing straight? Is it similar to/same as a float array?

jorge · 20 Sept 2005

oddson wrote: do I have the graph thing straight? Is it similar to/same as a float array?

Yeah, you got it right. I remember some time ago introducing the new FloatArray connector which will probably replace the graph. For backward compatibility I left the old graph connectors working and made them also work as FloatArrays but I might have forgotten some. Basically Graph and FloatArray are the same ( if not its a bug ).

oddson · 20 Sept 2005

So is the N input just to stop you from dropping an out-of-range index into the graph? And/or to force it to the right size?

jorge · 20 Sept 2005

oddson wrote: So is the N input just to stop you from dropping an out-of-range index into the graph? And/or to force it to the right size?

When the Graph Create was implemented somehow at the time it made sense to have a fixed array size. Would you prefer a variable size? we're open to suggestions.

Here is an example using the Graph Create component:

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oddson · 20 Sept 2005

jorge wrote: When the Graph Create was implemented somehow at the time it made sense to have a fixed array size. Would you prefer a variable size? we're open to suggestions...

You give me way to much credit here Jorge. I don't think my opinion on this is informed enough to go making program changes. 😕 I'm just trying to wrap my head around everything in the program.

But if the graph and float arrays are equivalent then don't we already have a variable array-size component?

(EDIT - OK - I've tried to replace Graph Create with a Float Array. Seems they are equivalent in content not in function - you can't hook a float array up to a graph!?)

skOre · 20 Sept 2005

variable sized graphs would open up the way for multi-point-envelopes...

oddson · 20 Sept 2005

OK Jorge - there's someone you should be listening to. 😉

skOre · 21 Sept 2005

Well, was just a quick thought. Yet after some more thinking, wouldn't that already be possible with some little workaround? It would be more comfortable though (thats the way PAline gets its points, right?).