Needing help to finish my synth

dnb0 · 6 Mar 2013

Unfortunatly the free version of FS only allows a certain amount of modules etc which my schematic exceeds.

My 6ick BITCH synth has Primatives = 70848 Modules = 6736 Total = 77584

dnb0 · 30 Mar 2013

Nubeat7 wrote: yes thats really weird because i thought fs will save all project as fsm - but it didn`t - it saved it as osm!? and because i didn`t change any modules - only reorganised some things, it thought it will do work in sm too.... but now we know 🙂 you could download free fs to watch the things i changed and rebuild it in sm - how i said i just did a fast work on it, its not a lot but the matrix should work right now, and it the overview is a lot better now.... maybe it takes 15 minutes to rebuild it 😉

Is anyone able to rebuild this into SM format rather than FS format? pretty pretty please 😀

dnb0 · 15 Apr 2013

Still cant get all the mod targets to work.

I've played around with it a bit and noticed somethngs missing when using it as an instrument and thats pitch control using an external keyboard.

I have checked through the forums and found this post Starter question about pitch bend and mod wheel Which shows a PITCHBEND module. I've search in both my tools in SM and across the forums but cannot find this module. Was this superceeded or am i looking in the wrong place?

I only want to add the functionality of pitchbend, not any keyboard or sliders graphics on the GUI. Obviously i'd want it to pitch all 6 oscillators at the same time.

dnb0

cyto · 16 Apr 2013

I don't know where that module came from, but here is one that you can use...

-cyto

dnb0 · 18 Apr 2013

cyto wrote: I don't know where that module came from, but here is one that you can use...

-cyto

Thank you so much cyto for your help 🙂

When opening it it says that it was created with a newer version of sm. Are you using FS?

It opened though in my SM so just want to ask, do i just add the Pitchbend and semitone green to my schematic?

Thanks dnb0

dnb0 · 24 Apr 2013

Thanks cyto that worked a charm. 😀 I added both the PITCHBEND module and green for semitones input, then just rewired it into my schematic before the oscillators.

I do have two questions though.

Why was the semitone green set for 7? I changed it to 12 so it would bend up or down an octave.

Also when im using the pitchbend it seems to jump inbeween semitones. Is there a way to smooth out the transitions in pitch?

Any idea's how to fix my mod targets that are not working? 😕

Thanks dnb0

Newest OSM attached with pitch now working but some mod targets still not.

cyto · 25 Apr 2013

dnb0 wrote: Why was the semitone green set for 7? I changed it to 12 so it would bend up or down an octave.

No reason why it was set at 7 - just a value I picked. Setting it at 12 (or any reasonable value)is perfectly fine!

dnb0 wrote: Also when im using the pitchbend it seems to jump inbeween semitones. Is there a way to smooth out the transitions in pitch?

I don't think this has anything to do with the pitch bend directly. After a cursory glance at the schematic, it seems that your preset saving for the detuner modules is acting a little funny. For instance in most of the presets I called up, even though the display would say something like "-2" or "+5" some of the oscillators were, in fact, tuned 6 octaves down! 😮 So you would end up with a "pulsing" low frequency amplitude modulation. Now when you shift the pitch bend, it would also change the rate of this modulation. I think this is what you are hearing. If so, you need to look at the preset handling of those modules and figure out why it's saving such strange values (I couldn't figure it out after a brief glance).

BTW, what problems are you having with your mod targets?

-cyto

dnb0 · 25 Apr 2013

Thanks for your reply cyto.

One thing that also came to mind. Is there a way to add a pitchbend selector on GUI so you can change the amount of ptichbend, anywhere from 1 semitone to say 4 octaves up or down?

cyto wrote: I don't think this has anything to do with the pitch bend directly. After a cursory glance at the schematic, it seems that your preset saving for the detuner modules is acting a little funny. For instance in most of the presets I called up, even though the display would say something like "-2" or "+5" some of the oscillators were, in fact, tuned 6 octaves down! 😮 So you would end up with a "pulsing" low frequency amplitude modulation. Now when you shift the pitch bend, it would also change the rate of this modulation. I think this is what you are hearing. If so, you need to look at the preset handling of those modules and figure out why it's saving such strange values (I couldn't figure it out after a brief glance).

I wondered why i was getting that strange beating on some presets 😕 I had a look and thought it might be that they are labelled the same but, no, I had arleady named them Detuner1 to Detuner6. 🙁 Does anyone else know the reason for this?

cyto wrote: BTW, what problems are you having with your mod targets? -cyto

I cannot seem to get the modulation to work on these targets :- Moog Filter Cutoff Moog Filter Reonance Waveshaper X Waveshaper 2^X Wavesahper 3^X

I want to be able to modulate several parameters at the same time. Like moving filter cutoff at a rate of say 16ths whilst modulating the MOOG filters cutoff at say 1/2 a bar, so that the wobbling sound gets brighter over time, and at the same time modulating one of the waveshaper knobs over say 4 bars, again changing the sound over time.

Thanks dnb0

Adriak · 25 Apr 2013

I cannot seem to get the modulation to work on these targets :- Moog Filter Cutoff Moog Filter Reonance Waveshaper X Waveshaper 2^X Wavesahper 3^X

Well, after looking through your modulation matrix, I've fixed a few things with it. You can see that I've moved the position of you Moog filter and the waveshaper in the schematic since I've found you want them before the combiner. I've also found that modulation targets and sources will only work if they are in stream or poly form, not mono, so most of your problems are going to be there. I've managed to fix the modulation problem with the Moog filter cutoff and resonance, and all the waveshaper x's, but you might have to tweak the range of the waveshaper knobs.

dnb0 · 25 Apr 2013

Excellent, thanks cyto. All mod targets work except now, the FILTER CUTOFF as a modulation target has stopped working. I've checked the osm but cant see anything wrong for it to have stopped working.

you might have to tweak the range of the waveshaper knobs.

Hmm cant see where to tweak this and dont know what range it should be?? Is it the MIN MAX module within each knob module in the waveshaper? If so then at the moment the min green says -1 and the max green says 1. Should it be changed to -64 to +64 , the same as midi?

And also the level meters on the synth have stopped working since I added them. They worked at first but now have stopped working.

I also lowered the range of the MAIN VOLUME knob from 0.3 to 0.1 to make the synth quieter.

Thanks dnb0

Adriak · 26 Apr 2013

All mod targets work except now, the FILTER CUTOFF as a modulation target has stopped working. I've checked the osm but cant see anything wrong for it to have stopped working.

Alright, this one was as easy one to fix unlike the previous problems with the Moog filter and Waveshaper. And by the way, the range doesn't need to be tweaked unless you want to, that was just me being stupid so don't worry about that. What you had to do was when you changed the same of the target FILT CUT to FILTER CUT, you forgot to change the preset name of the target module to FILTER CUT also, thus creating your problem. Remember, if you're targets don't have the same preset name that they have in the matrix, the matrix won't know where to direct the sound to. And by the way, I'm not cyto, I'm Adriak 😉

dnb0 · 29 Apr 2013

Adriak wrote: What you had to do was when you changed the same of the target FILT CUT to FILTER CUT, you forgot to change the preset name of the target module to FILTER CUT also, thus creating your problem

I can't believe I missed that they were named differently 😕

Adriak wrote: And by the way, I'm not cyto, I'm Adriak 😉

My apologies... I read the post too quickly so I could check osm and cyto was the last to reply.

cyto wrote: it seems that your preset saving for the detuner modules is acting a little funny. For instance in most of the presets I called up, even though the display would say something like "-2" or "+5" some of the oscillators were, in fact, tuned 6 octaves down!..... you need to look at the preset handling of those modules and figure out why it's saving such strange values...... So you would end up with a "pulsing" low frequency amplitude modulation.(I couldn't figure it out after a brief glance).

I cannot seem to set it to load presets with the correct octaves on the detuner modules. If I use the OCTAVE drop down box and select the exact same setting it is already on, the sound changes to what it should be. I did have a look in the detuner modules and none have the "MIDI cc:" boxed ticked as in this picture

Would this be the problem?

Also. I would like to list all midi ccs for my synth in the accompanying documentation when it's finished, but I have looked on the forum and in the manual and cannot find anywhere where a list of all the MIDI CCs and thier usage on my synth can be extracted. Is there a way to do this?

Newest osm attached Thanks dnb0

dnb0 · 29 Apr 2013

After playing around some with 6ick BITCH i noticed something else i felt was missing.

Is it possible to be able to modulate the DEPTH knob of the LFOs? As there is no connector INs on the LFO modules and I cannot see where one would be added to be able to do this. For instance could i modulate the LFO1 DEPTH knob with LFO2 via the modulation matrix?

And to complicate matters , is it also possible to say, modulte the LFO1 DEPTH knob with LFO1, again via the modulation matrix? OR would this have to be controlled by a different LFO rather than the LFO the DEPTH knob is attached to? I.E. LFO1 cannot control LFO1 DEPTH but can control LFO2 DEPTH and LFO3 DEPTH LFO2 cannot control LFO2 DEPTH but can control LFO1 DEPTH and LFO3 DEPTH LFO3 cannot control LFO3 DEPTH but can control LFO1 DEPTH and LFO2 DEPTH

OR am i just chasing my tail and this is not possible in synthmaker? 😕

Thanks dnb0

Adriak · 29 Apr 2013

Is it possible to be able to modulate the DEPTH knob of the LFOs? As there is no connector INs on the LFO modules and I cannot see where one would be added to be able to do this. For instance could i modulate the LFO1 DEPTH knob with LFO2 via the modulation matrix?

And to complicate matters , is it also possible to say, modulte the LFO1 DEPTH knob with LFO1, again via the modulation matrix? OR would this have to be controlled by a different LFO rather than the LFO the DEPTH knob is attached to? I.E. LFO1 cannot control LFO1 DEPTH but can control LFO2 DEPTH and LFO3 DEPTH LFO2 cannot control LFO2 DEPTH but can control LFO1 DEPTH and LFO3 DEPTH LFO3 cannot control LFO3 DEPTH but can control LFO1 DEPTH and LFO2 DEPTH

OR am i just chasing my tail and this is not possible in synthmaker? 😕

Well this is completely possible and is a very good idea. I can't quite remember the structure of your LFO but all you have to do is set up another target and connect it to the depth input to which the depth knob is connected. This should work but I've never tried it. You can also set it up to modulate the speed this way to. Also, It is possible to have LFO1 modulating LFO1 depth, as the modulation signal coming from the LFO would be changing the depth. So basically the signal comes first, then it is modulated by itself, almost like feedback. This could lead to some very interesting sounds and I'm curious as how it would turn out if it works, although it should. 🙂 And with the whole thing of the detuner presets, you might have to give each octave a unique preset name, for instance if you have three detuners, you might have OSC 1 Octave, OSC 2 Octavem and OSC 3 Octave. Don't know if that would make the difference for you but it might. 🙂