From the original SynthMaker forum (2004–2014), with its members’ names and dates.
attic ·
I applaud the merging of the software, that is a good move. Losing the info at this forum is not acceptable. Outsim needs to backup the entire SM forum and merge it to the flowstone forum.
If Outsim were to delete this forum do we have a backup somewhere. I think we should leech a copy of the forum and wiki down to our drives. HTTrack Website Copier http://www.httrack.com/ We need to protect the information assets of this community.
Nu Audio Science ·
Not entirely sure where Outsim think they are going with this, but they have zero confidence in them as a company and expect people to pay them on a monthly basis, neither of these go hand in hand, to do the monthly payment thing you would need to have a customer base that trusted what you where doing and could see progress.
This really stinks of "Last grab for money" right from the off and everybody other than a few hardcore Outsim fans will see that, they should give the full FS package to current SM pro owners as goodwill.
I have to be honest in that it doesn't effect me too much because unless they do make that goodwill gesture then i am done with them as a company 😉
attic ·
Let Outsim know that you value the Synthmaker forum, Or this archive of information could disappear. http://www.dsprobotics.com/support/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=510&start=0
If members here have harddrive space they can spare please use the Webcopier software to back and protect this forums asset's.
cyto ·
attic wrote: Let Outsim know that you value the Synthmaker forum, Or this archive of information could disappear. http://www.dsprobotics.com/support/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=510&start=0
If members here have harddrive space they can spare please use the Webcopier software to back and protect this forums asset's.
Finally, the Flowstone forum might get some traffic 😈 😉
will be interesting to see how long some of the new posts will last before deletion
-cyto
Lui ·
ok, where is 64 bit, a cpu efficient sample player or any other thing that would make me subscribe? once they really got new updates, then i might subscribe, but i think that sm pro owners should get a discount or sth. and this forum can't be taken down, it should be integrated in the flowstone forum.
user_fm ·
Would it be possible to open SM projects in Flowstone 3? and for sure 64 bit is a must...
attic ·
EDIT Looks like I am wrong there is a way to purchase. FlowStone Professional is also available to buy for $799. Please contact us for more details. http://www.dsprobotics.com/buy-rent.php
attic ·
Would it be possible to open SM projects in Flowstone 3?
As far as I can tell that is possible now.
trogluddite ·
attic wrote: Would it be possible to open SM projects in Flowstone 3? As far as I can tell that is possible now.
For the time being, that it right AFAIK. In fact, you may well have opened schematics posted here, and got the message "This file was created on a newer version" - if you are running SM2.0.5, then that is a sure sign that the schematic was actually made using FlowStone. Obviously, there is a caveat. As FlowStone gets more upgrades, the two applications will inevitably diverge, so if you plan on migrating to FS, it might be wise to do it sooner rather than later, so that schematics can be "converted" while the cross compatibility is still optimum.
Back On Topic: Yes, indeed this was my biggest concern as soon as I saw the letter. The examples, tutorials etc. represent 1000s of man-hours of work by forum users. I have always felt that those resources play a massive part in making such a versatile and enjoyable application to use.
Though I have often criticised the official manuals for being too skimpy, it is fair to say that in a completely open-ended programming environment like this, no amount of official documentation could ever supply all of the knowledge needed for the diverse range of applications and techniques that the users dream up. It is also not the place of the developers to provide instruction in the underlying DSP techniques, mathematics, and the more conceptual ideas that provide the basis for devising algorithms - just as you would not expect a manufacturer of cutlery and crockery to teach you how to cook. I sincerely hope that working hand in hand with the developers (i.e. the forum's "owners"), we can devise some way to maximise the amount of knowledge here that can be preserved.. I don't think that simply relying on individual posters to transfer their schematics etc. would be sufficient, as so many valuable resources were created by users who are no longer active. At the same time, I don't think it would be desirable to simply transfer every single post - FS users do not need to be wading through dozens of my old drunken fairy stories, or long 'flame wars' between long departed users. The other major problem with moving everything, is that it would break any links within posts - and so often we find what we want because a search turns up some posts that are not quite what we need, but which have links to the stuff that we are looking for.
Warmonger ·
I believe the good starting point is to gather all .osm libraries / toolboxes that you actually use (or seem useful). It's somewhat harder with tutorials. Now, if the knowledge on board is not organized in any way, it's hard to find valuable resources.
I see three possible solutions: - Remove all (ouch!) - Have someone browse the board and clear it, removing all the rubbish. Such person most likely should have moderator rights and a lot of spare time. - Keep all this mess still
attic ·
Part of the soul of this place is in the mess. I think we should work out a way to preserve this place in its entirety.
I am getting angry all over again ..... WTF Outsim.
@Trog How big is this Forum .... What are we talking in disk space?
oddson ·
attic wrote: Loosing the info at this forum is not exceptable.
Have they suggested that's a likely outcome? Nu Audio Science wrote: to do the monthly payment thing you would need to have a customer base that trusted what you where doing and could see progress.
I think with Adobe you could argue that with an huge customer base of professionals relying on the tool for their living who already pay through the nose for upgrades it might make sense from the company's point of view (on the short term... sooner or later the 'industry standard' argument will wear thin). But OutSim is trying to extract
SynthMaker has a number of fans... OutSim, not so much. cyto wrote: Finally, the Flowstone forum might get some traffic
Even now the discussion is here more than there. Lui wrote: ok, where is 64 bit, a cpu efficient sample player or any other thing that would make me subscribe?once they really got new updates, then i might subscribe
This is the less fatalistic side of NAS's arguement. But if the funds don't start coming in will the development actually take place. If one is very prone to flights of optimism one could suppose they've been busy updating the software and are ready to go with a nearly complete wishlist to entice us over... anyone want to take odds on that? trogluddite wrote: I don't think that simply relying on individual posters to transfer their schematics etc. would be sufficient, as so many valuable resources were created by users who are no longer active. At the same time, I don't think it would be desirable to simply transfer every single post - FS users do not need to be wading through dozens of my old drunken fairy stories, or long 'flame wars' between long departed users.
I suspect they may leave us up here... there is a certain search engine appeal to owning all this content with links and a history of hits etc. Maybe they'll just put some 'archive' notices up over it with links to FS? When I search audio terminology I'm often surprised to see the forum comes up on the first page. That and the fact that the user list in FS forum is actually the SM forum makes me think they may have already decided to keep it in some form. Warmonger wrote: I see three possible solutions:- Remove all (ouch!)- Have someone browse the board and clear it, removing all the rubbish. Such person most likely should have moderator rights and a lot of spare time.- Keep all this mess still
It's all or nothing... no one will ever go through all this. attic wrote: Part of the soul of this place is in the mess. I think we should work out a way to preserve this place in its entirety.
The place only makes sense with all the mess. Almost every post I make to help someone points to earlier efforts. Tryng to edit will make it unusable... and who would do it anyway.
attic ·
The letter said this.
Our plans are to move the whole SynthMaker user base over to the FlowStone forum and slowly wind down the SynthMaker site as you develop a new home in greener pastures. (You should be able to sign in already to the FlowStone forum using your existing SynthMaker user name and password or if you are already registered you can use that account).
They have not made it clear what happens in this wind down period ... thus the concern and worry. If they move it in its entirety than no problem. We have many very old posts here that are just as useful today as they were then.
I suspect they may leave us up here... there is a certain search engine appeal to owning all this content with links
This makes sense and I would be happy for this to be the case, but from the Synthmaker is alive and well thread it seems they mean to call this resource old obsolete info.
TomC ·
Professionals would migrate THIS forum, together with the Wiki, to the new forum in read only mode.
attic ·
Yes I agree .... it kinda seems like they want to put the SynthMaker Era behind them. Maybe we are all just to much trouble.
oddson ·
I have to admit I hadn't been following the threads on all of this nor had I read the letter so much of what I said above is, I guess, just wrong.
I do think the price is way too steep for hobby software (which is all it's ever been to me) and the software is too limited for professional development use.
I'm out. 🙁
attic ·
Yeah ... I can't afford it either. So no go for me also. I will be missing the company around here. By the way I am still using your pitchshifter in music everyday. So thanks.
attic ·
Well they deleted the post here that very politely asked if they would keep the Synthmaker Forum intact. It was very polite and nice so it looks like the request will be suppressed. http://www.dsprobotics.com/support/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=510&start=0
Xtinct ·
So the flowstone forum is now the new SM forum does that mean we can still post OSM's ? if so well kind of OK we lose the past posts but keep the community. Though looking at the amount of posts on the FS forum would it not be easier to merge the flowstone forum here Lets face it FS forum would lose less posts in total than even the SM off topic count actually about a 1/4 of off topic here.
Xtinct ·
Lets not forget synthmakers.net start the community back up there rather than answering posts on a forum for a program you have no interest in / can't afford and giving away your wealth of knowledge for free to help a company that cares zero for you. 😠
attic ·
Lets not forget synthmakers.net start the community back up there rather than answering posts on a forum for a program you have no interest in / can't afford and giving away your wealth of knowledge for free to help a company that cares zero for you.
Well ... I am torn on what is going on, but I think Outsim is just trying to survive and I have no problem with that ... the way it seems to be happening could be much better. This Forum is really a work of love by its members and the information here is really irreplaceable.
My first concern when reading the letter was that you had to rent and could not buy however that is not an issue they say you can still buy it, so if you can afford the price life go's on. My second concern was this wealth of information that exists nowhere else on the web. I don't think that Flowstone so radically changes things that the knowledge here becomes obsolete. Many will be still using the same components and working in green so this archive is of value. As Flowstone changed overtime we could just update the threads to reflect those changes. It makes me wonder whats the hurry to kill this community. I wish Outsim and Malcolm the best but I also wish that they would reconsider the plan for keeping this forum intact. The knowledge here was many years of dedicated and loyal work by members that freely gave of their time. It is not a replaceable thing.
oddson ·
attic wrote: Yeah ... I can't afford it either. So no go for me also. I will be missing the company around here. By the way I am still using your pitchshifter in music everyday. So thanks.
your welcome... but I never made a pitchshifter
oh... and I can afford it. I just don't think it's a fair price given their recent history... and even if they're suddenly good to their word it's just a hobby for me and maybe it's time to focus on other things.
I own Max for Live... haven't used either yet but it seems a good time to start. Maybe I'll make more music if I'm not hanging around here. 🙂
oddson ·
attic wrote: ...I think Outsim is just trying to survive and I have no problem with that ....
Sure... whomever they are. Doesn't appear to be Jorge nor Malc.
Maybe if they'd have developed an integrated music tool the way Malc once hinted to me in a private email they were considering and if they'd have found a angel investor with tons of patience and money.... but alas.
attic ·
your welcome... but I never made a pitchshifter
@Oddson ... Grainshifter. I thought this was from you? download/file.php?id=48
oddson ·
Sambean I think. Maybe MyCo.
attic ·
Ah well ... I owe someone a thanks ... 😉
acg2010 ·
FYI - Not sure if this was OK to do but someone suggested downloading the forum for archiving with something like HTTrack. I used WinWSD and downloaded the entire SynthMaker website, less certain parts. Took ~7 hours on my system and took up 5.93 Gb. The software downloaded the website in such a way that certain links do not work normally because they point to [old link]. The forums was one such situation, however it could be worked around by first going to the home page download tab, then clicking on "Go to the Download area" and from there, I could access the all of the forum, all off-line. One other thing, osm files and others have shortened names (osm is os and first letter missing sort of thing) which can be remedied by just renaming the file extension back to .osm
attic ·
Nice to know the size 5.93 Gb / I am working on hopefully a proper linked version. We will see how it go's. So where on the web can one find 6Gb of free storage?
MyCo ·
oddson wrote: Sambean I think. Maybe MyCo.
Maybe you're right: Realtime pitch shifting
oddson wrote: Sure... whomever they are. Doesn't appear to be Jorge nor Malc.
Exactly, that's the point for me.
datsound ·
Could one of us ask for a copy of the forum on CD and upload it to a legacy forum hosting site, there are many hyperreal type archives around using texted format.
Does someone want to take a day or 2 and download the entire forum? when it's converted to text it should measure just 50-60 megabytes?!?
infuzion ·
Darn, not online archived: http://archive.org/search.php?query=[old link] http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/synthmaker.com
MyDogRamsey ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: Not entirely sure where Outsim think they are going with this, but they have zero confidence in them as a company and expect people to pay them on a monthly basis, neither of these go hand in hand, to do the monthly payment thing you would need to have a customer base that trusted what you where doing and could see progress.
This really stinks of "Last grab for money" right from the off and everybody other than a few hardcore Outsim fans will see that, they should give the full FS package to current SM pro owners as goodwill.
I have to be honest in that it doesn't effect me too much because unless they do make that goodwill gesture then i am done with them as a company 😉
me too
MyDogRamsey ·
attic wrote: Well they deleted the post here that very politely asked if they would keep the Synthmaker Forum intact. It was very polite and nice so it looks like the request will be suppressed. http://www.dsprobotics.com/support/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=510&start=0
OK then thats it. if they are playing that then no I will not support this move in any way. I was going to, but as soon as you start censoring custoimers you are turning into IK miultimedia and a bunch of marketting fools. That was a polite post post asking a very relevant question..
MyDogRamsey ·
Xtinct wrote: Lets not forget synthmakers.net start the community back up there rather than answering posts on a forum for a program you have no interest in / can't afford and giving away your wealth of knowledge for free to help a company that cares zero for you. 😠
+10000000
oddson ·
Why don't we just ask nicely?
http://www.dsprobotics.com/support/view ... =512#p1489
MyDogRamsey ·
acg2010 wrote: FYI - Not sure if this was OK to do but someone suggested downloading the forum for archiving with something like HTTrack. I used WinWSD and downloaded the entire SynthMaker website, less certain parts. Took ~7 hours on my system and took up 5.93 Gb. The software downloaded the website in such a way that certain links do not work normally because they point to [old link]. The forums was one such situation, however it could be worked around by first going to the home page download tab, then clicking on "Go to the Download area" and from there, I could access the all of the forum, all off-line. One other thing, osm files and others have shortened names (osm is os and first letter missing sort of thing) which can be remedied by just renaming the file extension back to .osm
AWESOME!! Someone's got it!
MegaHurtz ·
I lolled, Be shure to give it a findable name in case this forum does die.. Right, 😉
Xtinct ·
Quick poll, who bought SM because of:- a) the in depth manual complete with examples 🙁 b) the forum that put time and effort into answering even the dumbest questions I've asked 😍 Why would they want to lose that 😕 FS has exactly the same manual plus examples so the only thing it has going for it is the forum, ahh now I see why they want you there 😈
Xtinct ·
OK another poll who bought SM ? because it seems like its only the usual 20 odd suspects who are complaining If its a question of pirated copies fine give us monthly software checks give us ruby call it SM3 I'd buy it.
Nu Audio Science ·
A lot more than 20 people bought SM, that is easy enough to tell in this case because they have access to the registered users section of the forum 😉
attic ·
2.12 GB so far ... this is going slow. There are so many links out to screengrabs, .osm .zip files you name it ... so I don't know if trying to grab the entire Exosphere around this website is such a good idea or will work?. Would be nice if someone could work on the best copy they could make of just the forum area while I try to replicate the entire internet and the forum. If you do try ... set the software to translate links for offline reading this can be re-translated later for online. Also those .osm files are important. 🙁
@acg2010 Hold on to that copy we may need it. PM me if you want to.
Xtinct ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: A lot more than 20 people bought SM, that is easy enough to tell in this case because they have access to the registered users section of the forum 😉
Sorry I'm not a moderator so I have no idea how many people have access to the regestered users section, I'm just basing it on the users who have commented on the situation. attic I have most of the osm's posted here, cos when I first joined I went through the entire forum as it was more informative than the manual, many of them are pretty cryptic without the pages / text to match but if you need any your missing let me know.
attic ·
So there is an issue ... the registered user section. I guess this will only be distributable for those registered. So we need two versions .... The regular forum and one for registered owners.
Why cant they just keep the forum. Maybe they should make a subscription for the forum ..... I can tell you I would rent forum usage before I would rent Flowstone. What did I just say... I should shut my mouth now.
philter5 ·
attic wrote: I can tell you I would rent forum usage before I would rent Flowstone. What did I just say... I should shut my mouth now.
haha lol 😍 but hey... psssssssssssssstt! only whisper things like that or you might be heard
infuzion ·
attic wrote: 2.12 GB so far ... this is going slow. There are so many links out to screengrabs, .osm .zip files you name it
+ the WiKi also... The first few years one had to host files outside the website; I have some of those OSMs if you want them.
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