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djbrynte ·
I tryed to make RM like the one RunBeerRun made before and it dident even sound close at all.
Basicly how is RM set up.
This is how nix explains it.
Hey man,
I think if multiply one mono signal with another it is real RM.
It's not a beautiful sound really.
Amplitude Modulation(AM) is multiply the amplitude of the modulator with the carrier.
I imagine you obtain this from an envelope follower?
Cheers
So when 2 signal sign togheter it become RM?
So how do i make it as V-station anyoen who knows im planing to make KS rack so its why i need this.
trogluddite ·
Yes, Nix is right, RM is just multiplying the two oscillator signals (osc 1 * osc 2, like you say).
But...
On a digital synth, multiplying can make frequencies that are too high - that creates digital distortion (aliasing) that can change the tone in a nasty way.
Maybe the V-station has special code (e.g. oversampling), so that it sounds more like a 'real analogue' ring-mod, without the distortions? - that would explain the different tone. (I guess the V-station sounds a bit more 'smooth' and 'musical' than the multiply?).
CoreStyler ·
trogluddite wrote: Yes, Nix is right, RM is just multiplying the two oscillator signals (osc 1 * osc 2, like you say).
But...
On a digital synth, multiplying can make frequencies that are too high - that creates digital distortion (aliasing) that can change the tone in a nasty way.
Maybe the V-station has special code (e.g. oversampling), so that it sounds more like a 'real analogue' ring-mod, without the distortions? - that would explain the different tone. (I guess the V-station sounds a bit more 'smooth' and 'musical' than the multiply?).
Maybe is possible to add a clip to the output. so in that way the rm should be smoother.
Could be like that?
in = osc1 * osc2;
out = min (in, 0.9);
out = max (in, -0.9);
out = in * rm;
knob min 1 max 100
trogluddite ·
I think the last line should be...
out = out * rm;
Otherwise you have 'bypassed' the min and max.
I'm also not convinced that it would help very much, for two reasons...
1) Oscillators output -1 to +1 - so the result of any multiplication is also contained within -1 to +1.
2) Aliasing is caused by the frequency content of the signal, regardless of the level. The series of frequencies generated by the ring-mod can still extend well beyond the Nyquist limit. Clipping the signal will add more high frequency harmonics to the signal, so in principle would make any aliasing worse.
Acrobat ·
trogluddite wrote: Maybe the V-station has special code (e.g. oversampling), so that it sounds more like a 'real analogue' ring-mod, without the distortions? - that would explain the different tone.
Lets try doubling the OSC: take the same freq as the carrier to drive a Sinus OSC, then multiply THIS with the modulator. I bet it will be smoother and less aliasing.
CoreStyler ·
Yes i bypassed 😀 .
I'm not good on coding im just learning 😉 .
Is possible to make an oversamplig on sm?.. i tested by multypling the two oscillator freq but it get just an amp.
trogluddite ·
Yes, oversampling can be done - Andrew J posted an excellent toolkit for making it (see HERE).
I only understand really basic parts of it - some complex code in there - and be aware, oversampling adds a lot to the CPU use of your plugin!
djbrynte ·
basicly how do i set up ring mod trog or anyone? Pls show me with piccs.
nix ·
Here it is Jo,
Just multiply 2 mono signals.
Cheers 8D
CoreStyler ·
Correct. But should be used something that can increase speed of modulation. A LFO
djbrynte ·
thnx nix but the thing is how do i make so i use a knob. from 0-1. So when knob is at 0 its off.
Can i do the ring mod after the effects aswell?
CoreStyler ·
djbrynte wrote: thnx nix but the thing is how do i make so i use a knob. from 0-1. So when knob is at 0 its off.
Can i do the ring mod after the effects aswell?
You can use a switcher that trigger off when ring mod knob = 0
djbrynte ·
Core helped me with a ring mod. But thing is it doesent sound as v-station ring mod at all. How can i modulate it? Shall i upload the ring mod ?
loopeytunes ·
Dj all I can say is eff v-station off, get your own sound if you're going to replicate other plugins why would anyone buy it?
CoreStyler ·
loopeytunes wrote: Dj all I can say is eff v-station off, get your own sound if you're going to replicate other plugins why would anyone buy it?
That is what i think also. For me, a cool synth should sounds good. Does not matter if fit the "standards" of the synthesizers. Many people using synthesizers does not really understand what is infact a ringmod. They don't need to know if does bla bla... they turn the knob, and feel if sounds good. [rember ourself when we started producing.. was not like that?]
Add a modulator, in the way you think and you ear that sounds well. 😀
djbrynte ·
ye ur right loopey i dont know if i gona do this plug for money realy. More because its fun.
sesss ·
djbrynte wrote: I tryed to make RM like the one RunBeerRun made beforer4 and it dident even sound close at all.
Basicly how is RM set up.
V-Station use 1-2 freq out to 1-3 osc modulated.
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