FlowStone V2 Released!

mwvdlee · 21 Dec 2011

FreeRideSkier wrote: FlowStone V2 with the Ruby programming language inside is now available for download: http://www.dsprobotics.com

Ruby wouldn't be my first choice as an embedded language (I'd prefer Lua or another dedicated embedded language), but it's probably good enough for non-realtime tasks. Would be nice if SynthMaker would get this update, even though by now I've pretty much given up on SynthMaker ever being production-ready.

lesobrod · 21 Dec 2011

Hmm... I looked at the FS...Not bad .. and familiar nicks on forum 😉 But in fact this is apotheosis of capitalistic commerce!! What "a good" idea - to sell almost the same products by such prizes!! Where is Marx?!! 😈

Upgrade SM for Ruby - max $70; robotics and another FS unique features - max

infuzion · 22 Dec 2011

mwvdlee wrote: Ruby wouldn't be my first choice as an embedded language (I'd prefer Lua or another dedicated embedded language), but it's probably good enough for non-realtime tasks.

Ruby is very fast; it used to run Twitter up to a year ago, perhaps you have heard of that site? I find Lua has memory leaks & can lock up other programs that embed it, like World of Warcraft.

lesobrod wrote: Upgrade SM for Ruby - max $70; robotics and another FS unique features - max

infuzion · 22 Dec 2011

Things in FS2 not in SM2.0: Scrollbars for ASM/Code/Ruby (so now aliasant has his XMas present) Zoom in/out module display in toolbox, or turn off primitive/module display for text-only if at min Stretch a module w/o a GUI wide enough & get a surprise.

Of course, only took 5 min before I found my 1st bug. Minor (toolbox filtering CTRL+linktype missing), but I guess their beta wasn't thorough. Shudda hired me, but prob couldn't afford my rates 😉

stw · 22 Dec 2011

Mousewheel scrolls and doesn't zoom anymore!

infuzion · 22 Dec 2011

stw wrote: Mousewheel scrolls and doesn't zoom anymore!

Slowly, but yea I hated that zoom that I didn't want to happen.

DigitalWhiteByte · 22 Dec 2011

stw wrote: Mousewheel scrolls and doesn't zoom anymore!

press CTRL + Mousewhell 😝

mwvdlee · 22 Dec 2011

stw wrote: Mousewheel scrolls and doesn't zoom anymore!

It's sad.

Not so much this feature, but rather that many SM users have been begging for removal of the mousewheel zoom feature and the SM developers still haven't listened, yet FS seems to have a simple fix.

It just saddens me that some requests that should be completely trivial to do are just sitting there gathering dust. I understand fixing bugs is difficult and a lot of features are hard, but there's no excuse for features which are just more of the same (i.e. XORPS asm; should be a nearly identical code to the ANDPS one) or removal of features such as this mousewheel thing.

It's stupid, it's asinine, it's sad and I feel SM is much more of an overprices hobby project where the developer's personal preferences outweigh that of it's users. That attitude is okay if the product is free, not when the users have to pay atleast

Jay · 22 Dec 2011

Hi all

The workflow additions are quite nice like Bookmarks,smart linking, favourites! but the toolbox filters aare a bit weird!

Best Regards

P.s maybe now that they have this out ADMIN might get time to correct the SM website,It still shows SM 2.0.4 as the latest version 😈

aliasant · 22 Dec 2011

infuzion wrote: Things in FS2 not in SM2.0: Scrollbars for ASM/Code/Ruby (so now aliasant has his XMas present) Zoom in/out module display in toolbox, or turn off primitive/module display for text-only if at min Stretch a module w/o a GUI wide enough & get a surprise.

Of course, only took 5 min before I found my 1st bug. Minor (toolbox filtering CTRL+linktype missing), but I guess their beta wasn't thorough. Shudda hired me, but prob couldn't afford my rates 😉

Finally scrollbars 🙂 Took a couple of years. Lets hope we get that too. I wonder. Did anyone appreciate the mouse wheel zoom? Anyone at all?

About the stretchy modules. Its a good step forward but better would have been dragable connectors from outside the module so that we could rearrange the inputs and outputs with option not to change the inside of the module. The modules should also have a Notes section if you make it bigger then what the ins and outs cover. Perfect for adding your own notes to the module and it could be there for Primitives as well, just not editable.

infuzion · 22 Dec 2011

Jay wrote: The workflow additions are quite nice like Bookmarks,smart linking, favourites! but the toolbox filters aare a bit weird!

The connector filters are broken.

rl · 22 Dec 2011

I downloaded and testetd the FS free version.

- The ruby module looks good and could make programming graphics or "green" code a breeze. Class definitions from one module are visible in other modules. I think (or should I say: I hope) there is only one instance of a ruby interpreter running.

- I tried to test the scheduled events feature by sending midi data to a device and measure the timing. But I had to discover that midi data is not supported (The connector popup does not even show the midi connector type). Looks like midi was forgotten: epic fail!

- So I tried to use the winmm functions of the win32 api instead, but failed due to lack of documentation (e.g. how to define a pointer to win32 function arguments?)

- The limit of 2 ruby modules in the FS free version looks strange. In a real world schematic I think I'd need tons of ruby modules (e.g. for each slider, each envelope,...) or am I supposed to build a huge single ruby code module?

- Personally I don't like the new toolbox. Too less items are visible, since there is only one element per line visible. So I ended up zooming out the toolbox completely (only text shown, no icons). On my 1920x1200 monitor I see only one tenth of the available modules. Scrolling trough this list is a pain.

- and...FS is still x86 only

Overall it looks like the new FS features would be great addons for Synthmaker too. But I don't expect much since there was zero (0, nada) information from outsim yet.

Should I buy FS? No, because there is no VST export. So neither SM nor FS meet my requirements ATM.

infuzion · 23 Dec 2011

rl wrote: - I tried to test the scheduled events feature by sending midi data to a device and measure the timing. But I had to discover that midi data is not supported (The connector popup does not even show the midi connector type). Looks like midi was forgotten: epic fail! - The limit of 2 ruby modules in the FS free version looks strange. In a real world schematic I think I'd need tons of ruby modules (e.g. for each slider, each envelope,...) or am I supposed to build a huge single ruby code module?

FS is not for VSTs, thus I'm not surprised there is no MIDI.

You can run-only schematics with more than 2 Ruby instances. Try running & looking inside the demo 😉

stw · 23 Dec 2011

infuzion wrote: Try running & looking inside the demo 😉

Where can i find that?

rl · 23 Dec 2011

The demo's are in the examples section of the FS forum.

@infuzion: you are missing my point. What I wanted to say: even if (maybe through a x-mas miracle) the new FS features are available in SM, they are of limited use because of lacking midi support. (They are also of limited use for FS users, since they cannot fully leverage the midi features of FS, but thats another story...)

infuzion · 23 Dec 2011

stw wrote: infuzion wrote: Try running & looking inside the demo 😉

Where can i find that?

Look inside the install directory you have not. Files .FS FlowStone are, yesss!

rl wrote: @infuzion: you are missing my point. What I wanted to say: even if (maybe through a x-mas miracle) the new FS features are available in SM, they are of limited use because of lacking midi support.

MIDI event generator?

infuzion · 23 Dec 2011

Gems are broken in 2.0.0: http://www.dsprobotics.com/support/view ... ?f=2&t=399

tester · 22 Jan 2012

I'm curious when they release something similar to SM but for visual and video processing. Would be interesting, especially for creating your own dsp and analysis algorithms.