After Duplicate..Hmm?

infuzion · 16 Nov 2011

Wireless connectors?

lesobrod · 16 Nov 2011

Try to check out this discussion. It helps me with solution similar ( but not the same) problem. Preset manager kill me

And here good method for finding bugs in some huge and complex things (algo, math, DSP etc.) Make a backup and try to reduce your schematic, deleting module by module, knob by knob, until you find an edge - before some change there is a bug, and after it - no. I'm not well experienced in SM, but for Wolfram algs it works well.

attic · 16 Nov 2011

Maybe something to try would be, after pasting it synchronize it with the old module adjust a few features and see if it snaps back to how it should be? Or try the opposite synchronize them than copy and paste. Its at least something to try but I wouldn't do it to your your main build but a duplicate in case anything goes wrong.

Is it a synth a sampler something else? If you have many layers deep of components I have seen some weird stuff on very rare occasion in stream data, sometimes moving things up a layer would change it but in my case a stream would just shut down if going through a module even with nothing in it but an in and an out (IE straight through) this only happened one time but totally repeatable in that schematic. I still have that project somewhere need to look at what happened but haven't had time.

Maybe try turning off the new trigger system see if it makes a difference, or turn it on if its off?

If nothing else go back through iterations of your project try copying and pasting until you find one that works and check for difference's?

Hope it works out.

trogluddite · 16 Nov 2011

You say you have checked that the parameters are the same - do you mean the preset values? If so, I would also check what values your audio parts are seeing - maybe some values are loaded OK, but not being passed through other sections of the schematic correctly.

infuzion wrote: Wireless connectors?

That's my first port of call with this kind of issue too. The trigger order for wireless is not explicit, it depends on the order that transmitters and receivers are created. Pasting very commonly upsets this order, and especially if you are using feedback at all, it can also upset the order that stream modules are processed, leading to some values being a sample out of sync. I've also seen wireless links fail to connect at all if pasting a very big chunk of schematic - using the R-click drop down to change the data type (and than back to the right type) usually sorts it (if not, tinker with the name).

Sometimes dragging into and out of the toolbox has randomly worked for me when copy/paste has been unsuccessful. No guarantee of success, but worth a try.

McBarGig · 17 Nov 2011

attic wrote: If you have many layers deep of components I have seen some weird stuff on very rare occasion in stream data, sometimes moving things up a layer would change it but in my case a stream would just shut down if going through a module even with nothing in it but an in and an out (IE straight through) this only happened one time but totally repeatable in that schematic. I still have that project somewhere need to look at what happened but haven't had time.

Maybe try turning off the new trigger system see if it makes a difference, or turn it on if its off?

If nothing else go back through iterations of your project try copying and pasting until you find one that works and check for difference's?

Hope it works out.

Thanks Attic...That problem you mentioned, I had the exact same thing with another project. What I did to resolve it was connected a M2F with a ticker 100...Why that worked I don't know?

McBarGig · 17 Nov 2011

lesobord, thanks man..I'll definitely be checking into that... What I have found so far is that the overall level into some components drop. Thats what is causing the sound difference due to distortion not being there...Its a Virtual amp so Distortion is paramount to its operation..

McBarGig · 17 Nov 2011

Trog and Infuzion...

infuzion wrote: Wireless connectors?

OMG!!!!! I hope not! If thats it I may as well start over because there is 30,674 modules with 21,272 wireless connections...So far, I have a little more to add..

At any rate, I have built this thing 4 times and here's the funny thing. Inside one plugin is all the skinning and design possibilities, and the second just reads files saved from the first. So, naturally, all the drag and drop functionality, the font setting, etc does not need to be in the second VST. If I remove those functions, the problem appears. Leave it intact and its fine. So it will be a piece by piece thing until I find the offending deletion.

infuzion · 17 Nov 2011

McBarGig wrote: Trog and Infuzion... infuzion wrote: Wireless connectors?

OMG!!!!! I hope not! If thats it I may as well start over because there is 30,674 modules with 21,272 wireless connections...So far, I have a little more to add..

Yea I hate wireless for this reason. On projects this big IMHO better to use the Bus system, even if you use the Buses wirelessly. Hmm...

McBarGig wrote: If I remove those functions, the problem appears. Leave it intact and its fine. So it will be a piece by piece thing until I find the offending deletion.

I hate SM for this reason. Good thing you save often with new filenames like I!

Neptune · 17 Nov 2011

McBarGig wrote: Trog and Infuzion...

infuzion wrote: Wireless connectors?

21,272 wireless connections...

OMG. I stopped using WL completely or only if i have something completely central. I think it was Infuzion who told me 3years ago to avoid them when i made my first synth "silverneer". If you need help re-wireing i can help with some subparts... But i also hope you get this problem sorted by deletion of modules, starting with big ones then going into details to find the bad boy. Good Luck.

McBarGig · 18 Nov 2011

Thanks Guys...Its a freaking monster of a job for sure