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RadioMan ·
Hello fellow forum members,
Just have a question here, I am a fruityloops user and therefore I looked at this for a couple of times now and in the past..... My question is however, is this program worth buying?
Ofcourse you are gonna say yes to this, but the only thing I would be using it for is to do some extra tweaking, like it is possible with the FL version allready, only now I read somewhere on this forum that the FL version is still 1.x and here you have 2.x.
Besides all this, I don't have to use my created synths or effects in other programs than FruityLoops, atleast not now and I have no intention in selling them either, therefore my question again, is it worth to buy and if I buy it, would I run against the limitations of the Enterprise version quickly?
ps. I only use this to play with as some kind of toy, more or like and in creating some synths/effects for remixes I make.
attic ·
Its absolutely brilliant, but with a learning curve and some WTF moments. Is it worth it? Yes.
RadioMan ·
OK, but the thing here is, I have almost every FL plugin there is, so I allready have quite a few synths, the only problem is sometimes you want things just a little different and since this program is allready included in my FruityLoops version I know what I can do with it, well kinda know.
Again here, since the fruityloops version is obviously too old, would it be worth to buy v.2 or aren't there that many differences and would it be possible to work with this like I do now, in other words directly from within FruityLoops, maybe the free version would be sufficient for me, just don't know it and I just can't use it if I can't run the plugin from within fruityloops.
Just hope to get some input on these issues, hoping that you guys understand my question to begin with 😀 (knowing that I write in a difficult to read kinda way)
trogluddite ·
Welcome to the forum, Radioman.
If you have used the FL version for a while then you have a very good idea what SM2.0 can do - really it is quite a small 'evolution', but there are some advantages...
- many bug fixes, and better 'green' triggers, so it operates more smoothly and predictably.
- some extra modules - mostly minor ones, but there is much better support for multi-sampling (including soundfont support), and primitives to help make CPU lower for green/GUI parts.
- some downloads in the forum may not work for older versions, so with SM2.0 it will be easier to get help on the forum, and to load useful modules that people post.
You can see all of the fixes/updates in the release notes HERE
I don't think the Enterprise version will limit you too much...
- For typical VST synths/FX to use in FL, you are unlikely to need more than 4 ASIO ports (VST's are still able to have more outputs if you need them) - extra ASIO is mostly useful only for .exe exports.
- 75,000 primitives can still make quite a big synth, especially if you can learn to make some parts using the 'Code' module (zillions of lines of code is still counted as one primitive) - it is generally only a problem if you use a very complicated GUI with hundreds of controls (i.e. look inside the standard knobs - many parts inside).
I have never used the FL version, but in the 'stand-alone' versions of SM there is a menu item 'File'->'Statistics' that tells you how many parts are in your design. If SM/FL does not have this, you could load one of your synths into the free version to see how big your designs are - then you have a good idea if 75,000 will be enough for you.
However, there are not really any big 'killer features' added to SM2.0 - and there is still not 64 bit support, and the specification for the VST exports is rather out of date (so sometimes compatibility problems for some VST hosts).
The Free version is no good to use long-term - the VSTs have noise added - but I would suggest having a play with that first to see if you like it, and to be sure that the exported plugins work well inside FL.
Dell ·
The biggest benefit is having the ability to design vsts to your requirements and not settle for FL Studio feels will suite your needs.
infuzion ·
RadioMan wrote: My question is however, is this program worth buying?
Ofcourse you are gonna say yes to this, but the only thing I would be using it for is to do some extra tweaking, like it is possible with the FL version allready, only now I read somewhere on this forum that the FL version is still 1.x and here you have 2.x.
Besides all this, I don't have to use my created synths or effects in other programs than FruityLoops, atleast not now and I have no intention in selling them either, therefore my question again, is it worth to buy and if I buy it, would I run against the limitations of the Enterprise version quickly?
ps. I only use this to play with as some kind of toy, more or like and in creating some synths/effects for remixes I make.
No.
You don't gain that much, & if you make VSTs in SM2.x, you can never use them in FL-SM. Stick with what you got.
attic ·
Well I think the sfz support in the new version is nice. Full use of this forum is also worth the price to be honest.
RadioMan ·
infuzion wrote: No.
You don't gain that much, & if you make VSTs in SM2.x, you can never use them in FL-SM. Stick with what you got.
First of all thank you all for your information and yes it makes some stuff more clear, the above answer I don't quite understand though.
Ofcourse it's the only negative answer, but it still makes me wonder here and for a bit the other answers feed my suspicion for a bit.
OK, first of all, I do understand that the plugin doesn't export to fl plugins anymore, like my fl version does and it's real normal that projects made in a newer version can't be read in the old version anymore..... Now my question about this is, is it that bad to use the VST instead of FL standard when it comes to stability or cpu bandwith use?
Also, from other answers I do have doubts, because it keeps saying that the changes are small so then I think is it worth the investment to begin with, but I will try the free version and play with that for a little and hope the added noise is not too disturbing for me to work with.
Thanks again for all your answers and if I buy it, I think that the Enterprise version would be more than sufficient for me 🙂
Outsim is in the process of updating FLSM to v2. I'd just wait it out.
infuzion ·
Dozius wrote: http://forum.image-line.com//viewtopic.php?f=200&t=77092
Outsim is in the process of updating FLSM to v2. I'd just wait it out.
That was 4 months ago!
Dozius ·
infuzion wrote:
Dozius wrote: http://forum.image-line.com//viewtopic.php?f=200&t=77092
Outsim is in the process of updating FLSM to v2. I'd just wait it out.
That was 4 months ago!
Which means that's 4 months less to wait. 😉
trogluddite ·
Devlopment of SM2 first mentioned March 14th, 2007 - released Dec 9th, 2010.
So you only have another 2 years and 4 months (approximately) to go! 😈
...and according to that old post there may be a Mac version out sooner rather than later!
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