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teapsiffene ·
Good afternoon
The Lord Complete Audio English Quran in MP3
Equal in Heaven ?
Dear brothers and sisters ,
Many will tell you the major difference between Islam and Christianity is the status of Jesus or the perception of the crucifixion .
Here we will clarify the primary major difference between Islam and Christianity , which is "Accountability" .
The word "Accountability" refers to our time being punished or rewarded in the Afterlife for our behavior here on Earth .
The greater our Faith and actions on Earth , the greater the reward in the Afterlife and the less of a punishment . Similarly , the more the evil we commit in this life , we incur a greater punishment and are rewarded less .
This system is Fair and Logical in that it gives people what they deserve . The good for the good and the bad for the bad .
In order for this system to be conducted , we have several levels of Heaven , where the greatest among us are on the highest level of Heaven , and the less righteous are placed in lower levels of Heaven .
Also there are different time periods of Hell , similar to jail terms , the greater the crime , the longer you stay in Hell for the sins .
This system is the system that is described in Islam and demonstrates that we have a fair God who rewards us for what we have done .
Now we see a major difference arises when comparing the Christian's thoughts of the Afterlife . The Christian's view is without accountability . They assume that there is only one level of Heaven and that Hell is eternal with no escape .
The Christians say if anyone (big sinner or small sinner) believe in the blood of Jesus , they will go to Heaven . Hitler believed in and often quoted Jesus in his book "Mein Kepf" . This creates the unimaginable picture of the most evil along with the most righteous , side by side together , equal in Heaven according to the Christians .
Surely God is a just God who does not allow Hitler along side Moses in Heaven , even though Hitler was a faithful Christian .
Although this is the Christian's way of picturing the Afterlife , a closer look into the Bible shows that indeed Christians too are accountable similar to the system of Islam , only that one needs the Quran and Hadeeth to more deeply understand the concepts recorded in the Bible .
For example , the Quran and Hadeeth clarify there are seven levels of Heaven Quran 41:12 and 2:29 , the Hadeeth also explain that people are placed in Hell temporarily for a set time , depending on their sins , and are then removed from Hell for simply having a atom's weight of Faith in God Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s, Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri
With these details explained in the Islamic Scripture , we then can fully understand the words Jesus preached in the Gospel and the phrases in the Old Testaments .
For example , Jesus also briefly mentions there are different levels of the Kingdom of Heaven ;
"Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19
Furthermore , Jesus and the Old Testament confirm that we can be removed from Hell :
" But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire . " Matthew 5:22
This shows we will owe Hell , directly suggesting a temporary time in Hell for the sin of saying "fool"
It is very clear in the Old Testament that Hell is not eternal for those who believe in God , nor is Hell only one level :
"For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell.." De 32:22
"For great [is] thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell." Ps 86:13
Here we see a example of God's mercy and capability to remove us from Hell , showing Hell is not eternal for those who believe in God, this illustrates that we may spend some time in Hell , but it may not be Eternal (depending on the crime) , this is also viewed from the following quotes in the Old Testament ;
"For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." Ps 16:10
"Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell" Pr 23:14
Unless Christians expand their knowledge to the Final Testament The Holy Quran , the Christians will remain propagating that God is Unjust in the Afterlife . God gave us minds to seek knowledge .
Jesus could not tell us the entire picture of the Afterlife as quoted here:
"I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." Joh 16:12
This verse is further understood in light of the history of the church persecuting scientists who spoke about wonders of our Universe.
Than in Islam , the Message has been completed so we can understand the aspects of the Afterlife that have been overlooked by the modern Christians .
"...This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion…" Translation of the Holy Quran 5:3
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infuzion ·
teapsiffene wrote: The Lord Complete Audio English Quran in MP3
Equal in Heaven ?
Dear brothers and sisters ,
Many will tell you the major difference between Islam and Christianity is the status of Jesus or the perception of the crucifixion .
Here we will clarify the primary major difference between Islam and Christianity , which is "Accountability" .
The word "Accountability" refers to our time being punished or rewarded in the Afterlife for our behavior here on Earth .
Hello, kinda strange that as a first post you jump into religion, in the wrong forum none the less (should be off-topic)
I am quite certain you have not read the Christian New Testament; Jesus talked about "accountability" very often:
1) You have to forgive, or else you give the Devil access to you Matthew 18:18-35
2) Unless you do God's will, you won't get into Heaven. http://net.bible.org/#!bible/Matthew+7:15
3) Jesus & others said He (Jesus) is the only way to Heaven: http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-only-way.html, Matthew 10:32-33,
4) Knowing Jesus is knowing God the Father: "If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well"
5) Jesus, not the religious things you do gives access to Heaven (Matthew7:15 again, Ephesians 2
etc.
Let me know if you need more information.
Dell ·
Hello, kinda strange that as a first post you jump into religion, in the wrong forum none the less (should be off-topic)
I would not be surprised if this was spam. 😉
MegaHurtz ·
Yea.. screw you too.
Jay ·
Well i am never one to mock anyone for thier spiritual views and respect the wishes of those who choose to believe in such twaddle 😈
Heres my views on religion......
I think in this day and age we all need to leave old superstitions behind and concentrate on mending our broken,corrupt,screwed up world,Some of the worst atrocities and acts of human cruelty have been committed in the name of God and in the duties of so called men of God. I cannot subscribe to that. Science is the truth and our future, if we are to have a future at all.
but hey, if faith helps gets you through the night then, good for you!
Hell i have Faith,Faith in the power of Malc. and a strong belief that he will once more be risen and Herald us a new age of SM Events system and 64bit proccessing 😉
Best Regards
aliasant ·
Jay wrote: Well i am never one to mock anyone for thier spiritual views and respect the wishes of those who choose to believe in such twaddle 😈
Heres my views on religion......
I think in this day and age we all need to leave old superstitions behind and concentrate on mending our broken,corrupt,screwed up world,Some of the worst atrocities and acts of human cruelty have been committed in the name of God and in the duties of so called men of God. I cannot subscribe to that. Science is the truth and our future, if we are to have a future at all.
but hey, if faith helps gets you through the night then, good for you!
Hell i have Faith,Faith in the power of Malc. and a strong belief that he will once more be risen and Herald us a new age of SM Events system and 64bit proccessing 😉
Best Regards
+10
Religion seems to be for those who cant believe in themselves?
Dozius ·
I have been touched by His noodly Appendage.
infuzion ·
Jay wrote: I think in this day and age we all need to leave old superstitions behind and concentrate on mending our broken,corrupt,screwed up world,Some of the worst atrocities and acts of human cruelty have been committed in the name of God and in the duties of so called men of God. I cannot subscribe to that. Science is the truth and our future, if we are to have a future at all.
What if God invented Science (eg set up the rules how things work)?
Funny, it took man 4000+ years of civilization of man's "intelligence" to figure out how to change genes, & people expect genes to change by themselves on "random yet selective random chance" enough to create new species.? It takes a bunch of computers on a cloud or 2 20th generation GPUs to crack one password in a few days, yet a single strand of DNA contains more information than that password, infact it helps to self-replicate... I doubt anything is "random" in this world, & certainly not life itself.
aliasant ·
infuzion wrote: ... I doubt anything is "random" in this world, & certainly not life itself.
That is truly a science question and not a religious question.
As far as I can see we might very well be machines created by some other...
Or we might simply be digits in a computer program. That could in a way explain the big Bang. From nothing to something quite quick. Just as if someone created a program and then booted it.
I cant see these kinds of questions as religious. They are scientific by nature.
Besides.
Not being religious doesnt mean, not believing. Theres so much to believe in that doesnt involve bearded old men in clouds or forcing one mans belief onto another.
lesobrod ·
Emptiness here, Emptiness there, but the infinite universe stands always before your eyes.
Infinitely large and infinitely small; no difference, for definitions have vanished and no boundaries are seen.
So too with Being and Non-Being.
Don't waste time with doubts and arguments that have nothing to do with this.
One thing, all things: move among and intermingle, without distinction.
To live in this realization is to be without anxiety about non-perfection.
To live in this faith is the road to non-duality, because the non-dual is one with trusting mind.
Words!
The Way is beyond language, for in it there is no yesterday, no tomorrow, no today.
http://allspirit.co.uk/hsinhsinming.html
Xtinct ·
Hey everybodys free to believe what they like, but Jay 64 bit ? that really is stretching it 😈
trogluddite ·
Jay wrote: Some of the worst atrocities and acts of human cruelty have been committed in the name of God and in the duties of so called men of God. I cannot subscribe to that. Science is the truth and our future, if we are to have a future at all.
I'm not religious myself, but I always feel that this one is a case of confusing correlation with causation.
All despots need a flag of convenience to fly under if they are to rally the masses. The crucial thing is to have the intelligence to critique the justifications used for vile acts however the message is delivered.
If more evil has been done in the name of religion than science, it is most probably because the traditions of religion have been around longer. In it's relatively short history, modern reductive science has also had its message twisted in the name of barbarism - just like with the religious zealots, scientist with unsavoury beliefs have strived to 'prove' that our supposed enemies are inferior and more primitive - e.g. Victorian anthropology used to justify the colonisation of Africa and India, or the Nazi's use of Eugenic theories.
On a less extreme level, there is already much wilfully misquoted and distorted reporting of science in the media. Much of this seems to promote the idea that science should be left to 'experts' (priests), and the population at large is left with the impression that they shouldn't try to understand it because it is some kind of arcane knowledge that they wouldn't be able to understand.
In reality you only need to understand a few basic concepts to be able to spot the whiff of BS - but there are a lot of 'snake oil' merchants out there who want you to give them money for their 'get sexy quick' potions and 'miracle cures' - and they'd rather that nobody asked too many awkward questions.
This is why so few newspapers or advertisers ever give a list of references for their scientific articles - if you actually go to the original peer-reviewed sources you often find that material has been used out of context to justify a political or commercial position - sometimes even to draw a conclusion at odds with the scientific findings.
Neither science nor religion intrinsically cause wars - that is the preserve of psychopaths who will use any beliefs people might hold as leverage to make their schemes more palatable.
aliasant ·
trogluddite wrote:
aliasant wrote: Some of the worst atrocities and acts of human cruelty have been committed in the name of God and in the duties of so called men of God. I cannot subscribe to that. Science is the truth and our future, if we are to have a future at all.
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I didnt say that. Jay did 😉
trogluddite ·
Oops, sorry Ali - dunno why the 'quote' button should paste in the wrong person (edited)- I must be getting something wrong with my selections somehow, I keep having to edit them by hand.
Kinda ironic since I was spouting off about mis-attributed quotes in the media!!
aliasant ·
trogluddite wrote: Kinda ironic since I was spouting off about mis-attributed quotes in the media!!
LOL
I know 🙂
I agree with most of what you said but Im not sure you could call what the nazis did ( measuring skull sizes and such) as science. Wasnt that more of a faked "science" to "prove" an idea and to sell an agenda?
Same with much else but it isnt science.
Like when their selling some skin lotion and the marketing slogan is; Clinically tested in Geneva...
Science to me is like what they have recently done. 1 team claims they have speeded up neutrines faster then the speed of light and if they are right Einstein was wrong.
Now they are asking other teams to test this as much and hard as possible. If other teams can verify this we really need to rethink physics. It might open up a whole bunch of possibilities that Einsteins laws of relativity prohibited.
Timetravel anyone ? 😉
Now thats something to believe in 🙂
MegaHurtz ·
tadaa!
MegaHurtz ·
aliasant wrote: Timetravel anyone ? 😉
Now thats something to believe in 🙂
allow me...
aliasant ·
MegaHurtz wrote:
aliasant wrote: Timetravel anyone ? 😉
Now thats something to believe in 🙂
allow me...
LOL!
Took a while for me to get it 🙂
trogluddite ·
aliasant wrote: Wasnt that more of a faked "science" to "prove" an idea and to sell an agenda?
Much of it was considered consistent with the scientific theories of the time - and you only have to look at the debates about the true 'meaning' of quantum physics to see scientists with different mind-sets drawing different conclusions from the same data. Not so much a distortion of science, as cherry-picking only those bits of it that agree with a particular prejudice.
Similarly, the vast majority of Christians and Muslims would point to the guidance in their holy books, and correctly point out that, whatever your attitude to the 'fairy stories', they generally promote tolerance and peaceful co-existence.
For example, to most Muslims the translation of 'Jihad' as 'Holy War' is a gross distortion, it's meaning is more akin to "striving to make the living world more like heaven". Equally, there are some Christians who spend a lot of time trying scare us all with the horrors of the Book of Revelations, yet seem to forget all about the positive, humanitarian fables about Jesus.
That was my main reason for turning away from religion - I smelled something fishy when I realised that the same God couldn't make his mind up if I should turn the other cheek or take an eye for an eye. At least science (when done properly) tries to be consistent - but don't let the equations fool you into thinking that it is 'truth', it is still only ever an 'explanation' or 'interpretation'.
Even if religion is a bad thing, the only part of it that science can replace is the "how does the universe work, where did it come from?" part. Science will never 'prove' that killing another human in cold blood is 'evil' as it is not a scientific hypothesis, but a moral judgment. There will always need to be something outside of science to give us the wisdom to know how to use the knowledge we discover, and to guide the way we construct our societies - whether it is 'God' or just that seeing another human treated cruelly make us cringe.
Or maybe the aliens will come and save us from ourselves! 😉
MegaHurtz ·
If you logically examine the exclusion from a finite truth. This would be rational.
So the truth would be relative, and obscured for the purpose of creating a certain "truth" in the first place.
Those who claim to know the truth, conflict with the nature of being. Simply because they are the ones to delay truthfulness to take place.
Understandably to be told about the truth in a highly illiterate world, would be a popular thing.
And the social pressure of God fearing outbursts of (paradoxical) violence, would be enough to make any man fear a higher being. BUT here in the western world evolution has provided us with an unrivaled level of impulses, that make people objectively define life for their selves. And it has been shown that the majority of people here are equipped to handle this responsibility in a social and loving way. Even so, most Muslims that decide to settle here are converted by us, to live their life in the way we like to live ours. And the ones that should be fearing God, are the ones mistreating their woman and children via these doctrines.
I say face it, we are and will be highly advanced, even in the eyes of God himself.
No book can turn the clock. Maybe its about time we did birth control.
This because most westerners are used to a low mortality rate. So for us it doesnt matter all that much.
You may think im a racist but im actually not. Just intolerant about intolerant people. 😀
lesobrod ·
What a duscussion! 😈
"Can't be silent" as said Lev Tolstoy about turning religion into government institution.
But I can't write in English about such spiritual themes, only about phys/math 😊
So just another trying to draw your attention to the real point of balance between heart and mind,
science and spiritual journey.
It's especially concerned MegaHurtz and trogluddite. Their thoughts are very close to mine.
I'm practisize over 15 years pure observation of mind & body calling Vipassana
and some Yoga & Chi Kung (and greate Russian meditation - ice hole swimming ).
So I risk to repeat a link to one of greatest understanding of Universe:
http://allspirit.co.uk/hsinhsinming.html
and simple (but real "manual") book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Buddha-Tau ... y_b_text_b
And please note (new science agree with it):
the thing what we call "I" , "Self" is just a group of connecting processes,
that was self-organized and named ...
Only clear understanding of this simple idea can save all the world from wars and terror.
tor ·
E=MC² ± 3 dB - The sound-engineers theory of relativity
Brrrrr.
But it is true, maybe partly the shock, partly being in an environment that is so unlike the padded 'civilised' environment - is good for the soul somehow.
My 'Trogluddite' tag came about because I used to explore the underground caverns that are under the hills around here - so close to home in physical distance, yet days away from rescue if an accident should happen, and some places that have been visited less than the moon. I did this solo on several occasions, and I have to say that the experience seemed almost like an hallucination - there were voices, footsteps, movements in the corner of the eye (all 'impossible' in a material sense).
I have never had success with meditation - I seem to have nerves that will not let me relax enough - but these experiences of being in 'another world', I imagine, open up similar parts of the mind. At least it reminded that science and spirituality can be complementary, not in opposition.
Acrobat ·
trogluddite wrote: it reminded that science and spirituality can be complementary, not in opposition.
same here, I always go around the eastern alps at least once in a year, there are wonderful places there, trekking... 😉
Acrobat ·
teapsiffene wrote: Equal in Heaven ? fair God who rewards us for what we have done
I think you are quite off the road if you judge religions as if they were Economics,
usually religions are things you actually don't choose by your own, that's the point.
In a certain way you are forced by the surroundings, and sometimes you dont' even
realize your are believing, you just follow the rules around you like family and society traditions and such.
I hope this consideration can help you to understand there's nothing to choose like in a supermarket, at least you
can "dismiss" a credo, most of the times. Just like you can dismiss the credo in Economics themselves. 😉
crisalex ·
hey frndz I am looking for Quran Audio online plz help…
adamszabo ·
Allah does not allow digitalization of the quran
infuzion ·
adamszabo wrote: Allah does not allow digitalization of the quran
While this sounds like a poke, it kinda is true.
AFAIK, (not sure if according to tradition or Isalmic law)
1) The Quran can not be destroyed/burned, but by default the internet is all about destroying/deleting (caches, etc)
2) The Quran can not be put on the ground, but there is no way if an HD storing the Quran may not be put on the ground...
Google helps: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/
I personally have a hard time with Islam; too many contradictions & the only way to follow it is to not.
adamszabo ·
Plus if you kill random people in the name of Allah, you get your 72 virgins. But lets not go into these since this forum is not about religion, and its propably bots posting about the quran to start a religious war 🙂
tester ·
Are you talking about the mathematical Bible Code, which is pretty interesting software anyway? 😉
jjs ·
Holy SPAM !!! 😮
trogluddite ·
jjs wrote: Holy SPAM !!!
Well, even the gods have to move with the times - folks are so glued to their mobile 'oracles' these days that they would probably walk right past a burning bush, or some guy walking on water, without even noticing! 😉
infuzion ·
tester wrote: Are you talking about the mathematical Bible Code, which is pretty interesting software anyway? 😉
You made me think of the movie Pi; coming full circle back to math & computers 😉
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_%28film%29
trogluddite wrote:
jjs wrote: Holy SPAM !!!
Well, even the gods have to move with the times - folks are so glued to their mobile 'oracles' these days that they would probably walk right past a burning bush, or some guy walking on water, without even noticing! 😉
LOL 😇
tester ·
Well, the bible code is something that can be calculated and measured and compared to other texts using the same algorhithms. There are a lot (a lot lot more than statistical "zero" expectation) words, sentences, names, dates, correlated with each other and correct with actual history. There is some debate whether "bible code is real", but not balanced, and if you don't know the topic, then you don't know who to trust. Problem is with newagies and thick-head sceptics (or rather oponents?) who either go too far in conclusions (newagies) or just cheat in their argumentation (sceptics). Sure, all texts show some regularity appearance, but torah (hebrew original one) is right now the only one with such amount of these regularities and statistical signifficance. Seems rather be made "by purpose", but maybe it was made just by someone, who had rewired brain (like modern synesthesia people or savants) or greater level of self-coherence in their mind/consciousness.
And of course - some folks made also algorithmic music ith that 😉
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