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Nu Audio Science ·
OSM deleted for now until we work out how we want to share the files
Open rompler, the idea ?
Create a Rompler engine that can be released as a VSTi that can be completely skinned (the current UI is temporary and shite hehe) I have that fully implemented in another plugin, just haven't got round to implementing it here yet, but it works great so I wouldn't work on that part if i where you.
Why do this ?
Lots of sample pack devs would love to have a free to use Rompler engine they could put on their site so that their sample packs become instruments straight off the bat and they haven't had to pay any particular company stupidly high licence fees. (This will also help in removing a lot of the anti SM vibe if we do it right)
What needs doing ?
To be honest here it is a couple of years since i built this based on an alpha version of the sfz components Malc sent me, so i suspect it could do with overhauling a little, the CPU is not too heavy, the UI is a temporary one because like i say it needs to be fully skinnable, the next major step would be to implement extra parts into the sound engine itself that could be put into the synth chain via a config file, so that afore mentioned sample devs can pick and choose what they want (Maybe some routing in the config too. (Most of the current features where added in to test)
I will put up an open rompler website once we are further along 😉
You can use this OSM to learn but unless you are going to post enhancements or fixes back into the project please do not release it as your own (I will go out of my way to publicize any misuse, this is a project for the entire music community)
Anyway
Test it
Discuss it
Lets get this rolling
Please remember to add a text in the OSM if you mod it at all, so that all mods can be gathered together
NAS
infuzion ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: You can use this OSM to learn but unless you are going to post enhancements or fixes back into the project please do not release it as your own (I will go out of my way to publicize any misuse, this is a project for the entire music community)
I can guarantee this will happen. Perhaps in months or years, likely weeks. I suggest a take-down, & lend the OSM purely on a by-request basis. There are a few who keep doing it. There is a new-ish thread on KVR asking for 303 emulations, & at least 2 if not 3 are more or less direct copies of SM's tb303, I think at least 1 for sale, with out credits.
I follow the internet's basic rule: "If you do not want people to steal it, do not put it on the internet!"
That is why I rarely post OSMs anymore.
Nu Audio Science ·
I'm not sure what to say to that
Do you think i should create a page and private file store for the project Inf ?
infuzion ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: I'm not sure what to say to that
Do you think i should create a page and private file store for the project Inf ?
Yes; you expect too much from humanity, you assume people have morals. Most do not; 90% people will bootleg .00USD& even free software. Even copyright lawyers steal website pages. Copyrights & usage-requests mean nothing on the internet.
Maybe try a Diglo account for this project?
BTW, there is a de-zipper primitive now, no need to use that beta Code version 😉
I hope you don't mind if I use this Code in my OSMs without giving you a % 😉 😇
streamin in;
streamout out;
stage(0)
{
out = in*127;
}
Nu Audio Science ·
OK i have set up a diglo account, anybody who wants to get involved can do so by messaging me their email addy here 😉
NAS
philter5 ·
infuzion wrote:
Nu Audio Science wrote: You can use this OSM to learn but unless you are going to post enhancements or fixes back into the project please do not release it as your own (I will go out of my way to publicize any misuse, this is a project for the entire music community)
I can guarantee this will happen. Perhaps in months or years, likely weeks. I suggest a take-down, & lend the OSM purely on a by-request basis. There are a few who keep doing it. There is a new-ish thread on KVR asking for 303 emulations, & at least 2 if not 3 are more or less direct copies of SM's tb303, I think at least 1 for sale, with out credits.
I follow the internet's basic rule: "If you do not want people to steal it, do not put it on the internet!"
That is why I rarely post OSMs anymore.
i can only agree with infuzion here... there are also versions of the ARP Odyssey Project that AM started here,
just stolen and used under another name.... first time i saw this it was COMMERCIAL, now it´s for free.
http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?pl ... sey&id=801
but that´s why i rarely post OSM files, too. People WILLL steal it, definitely, today or tomorrow or whenever...
MegaHurtz ·
infuzion wrote: I follow the internet's basic rule: "If you do not want people to steal it, do not put it on the internet!"
That is why I rarely post OSMs anymore.
I recall you helped mc bargig doing his amp simulator, I own a copy now, Is he really singed by waves?
That thing is wicked!
But yr right, paranoia should be setting in before you post anything 🙂
On the other hand Ill be glad to see this project evolving into something good, so ill be glad to pitch in if im present to do so. Not that a little rompler is the holy grail of your effords right? might be a good inspirational project for all the samplists out there. TBH i dont know anymore who to thank for the interpolation codes, wich to this day ill be using to great extend (optimal 4th practically fused to my arrays).
infuzion ·
MegaHurtz wrote: I recall you helped mc bargig doing his amp simulator, I own a copy now, Is he really singed by waves?
That thing is wicked!
But yr right, paranoia should be setting in before you post anything 🙂
I helped a little bit, but McBarGig had to keep most of the OSM to himself; almost all his amp sims have secrets that he won't share 😉
trogluddite ·
😈 Health Warning: Devil's advocate in a particularly trolly mood! 😈
"Open Rompler V1.0.0" - so is it open-source or not? If there is no intention to make money from this project, and it is to be a 'good will' project to enhance the reputation of SM and those who use it, why does it matter what anyone else might get up to with it? What exactly is it that they will have 'stolen' from us?
infuzion wrote: Yes; you expect too much from humanity, you assume people have morals. Most do not; 90% people will bootleg .00USD& even free software.
Not 90% of "people" - 90% of a particular group of people who downloaded what is essentially nothing more than a way to fill some time that they lack the imagination to use for anything more constructive or creative. Why do those people even own an iFad - do they really need one? - did they use their previous gadget fully to the end of its useful life before tossing it away? - maybe they are all in the top percentile of particularly shallow, easily-led people of whom we might expect that kind of behaviour?
i.e. your interpretation of the statistic is heavily biased towards pessimism.
I'm not suggesting that in any way the developer's time and energy is intrinsically worthless. But it is a sad indictment of our times that people who want to engage in play or creativity are constantly pushed the meme that this must involve acquiring ever shinier toys - which more often than not are less engaging and rewarding than those that went before. It is little surprise that these throw-away trinkets do not immediately conjure up thoughts of their "value" - somewhere deep down I believe that we all recognise that an iDevice full of app's is not really of any more "value" than a walk in the countryside or an engaging conversation - which mercifully are still free (so far!).
I also don't really believe that there is such a lack of morals, more that we have been pumped full of the fear to act upon them. We have succumbed to living in a way where we have 'outsourced' ever more of our decision making. We are saturated with marketing and advertising pushing the idea that there is always an expert out there who can tell us how to live and what to buy in order to "succeed" - or at least to be seen as successful.
Most "Westerners" have accepted that it is OK to live in a consumer society that simply cannot be sustained by the world's ever diminishing resources (or our mountain of debt). To thoroughly tackle our morals head-on means contemplating tearing down a world in which we are rather comfortable at other's expense - acting on our moral impulses becomes the first step heading into a frighteningly unknown wilderness.
Almost every image/soundbite in the media contains the implication that you are shit because you *haven't got one of these/don't look as good as this model/don't get laid as much as this guy* (delete as applicable) - it rubs off, and makes us fear doing "the right thing" lest we damage our social standing.
I think that most of us don't really "not care", but life is easier if we pretend to ourselves that we don't; a simple case of denial to avoid the inevitable cognitive dissonance.
I have always thought that it is this that has lead to the rapid rise of anxiety spectrum mental health problems over the course of the last century. Certainly my own experience is that my sense of well-being improved massively once I stopped worrying what people thought about me and my possessions and allowed myself to trust my more 'humanitarian' instincts.
Oh yes, before anyone else points it out - sat here in my centrally heated home in front of my two computers, drinking Sprite (TM), I am well aware that I am a hypocrite! 😉 (but at least I don't own an iFad)
P.S. I bear no ill will to any of you - quite the reverse, if I thought your opinions were worthless, I wouldn't bother argueing.
TomC ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: OSM deleted for now until we work out how we want to share the files
Open isn't open when it's not open.
When you post in on Diglo everyone and his sister can send you an email, and you are not always able to verify who the person might be. And it'll be a PITA to keep track of different versions.
May I suggest the Registered User forum?
Tom
Nu Audio Science ·
I'm starting to think this was a really stupid idea
Nearly a whole pages of posts that have little to do with the idea and more to do with where the OSM should be posted
Not sure what to do now to be honest
NAS
MegaHurtz ·
Dont forget people might actually be able to be thankfull.
To some (as in my case) its only the way around the formal stuff, Who knows some pre-informed noob will
step up to the plate to help you out in return someday.
I guess ittd be Thank you all, for conceiving ways to make it optimal.
nix ·
I think it's a top idea NAS.
I can work on batch loading, as I've done the preliminary stuff for that.
I would rather use .wav though, hmm.
I'm not all that motivated, but can chip in a bit.
I can help with trumpet and sitar libraries, bass and electric too.
trogluddite ·
Nu Audio Science wrote: Nearly a whole pages of posts that have little to do with the idea
Sorry NAS, not really the appropriate place for my little rant! - the point really is that where the file is placed affects what good guys you attract as much as which bad guys.
I'm always hanging around this place, so if you do decide to put it here, you can be sure that I will do my best to be one of the good guys and help out. (and I promise I'll try to stay on-topic! 😉 ).
A decent Rompler is a big gap in the existing SM 'portfolio' - maybe it could even be considered as an example for Malc to put up on the SM website? (only with the agreement of those involved, of course, and maybe with only a limited sound-set) - no disrespect to the programmers of the current examples, I still use many of them, just that there's nothing there that demonstrates any of SM's newest capabilities.
attic ·
I would have liked to have been a part of this. 🙁
nix ·
we could still do it man 😉
attic ·
I really think there is a community need for an example of a Rompler. I have seen the question come up over and over again and have looked myself for a proper example. The Rompler's I have built always end in some flaw or another that I cant get around and for lack of knowledge I let them sit.
I would put it under the registered user section and let people know it is there. I think it would help generate sales and hopefully with some new revenue coming in maybe malc would kick development up a notch. The opportunity for people to knock out a collection of samples would be a big draw and one that is currently missing.
nix ·
Alright, I'm cool with that, will we move to reg users?
I have a base 4 the plug also, it doesn't look as spiffy as NAS,
and I want use waves , but yeah I share this one that maps the samples if they are named 0-127.
There are no velocity layers though.
R u still keen NAS?
infuzion ·
It has been written on the boards several times that if you post an OSM, it will be stolen, money made off of it by someone else, with out even credit in either cash or money.
So why not use 3rd party app like Diglo to ensure more security & more privacy?
If we had lockable modules, perhaps things would be different...
lockable modules
Lockable Modules (split from "SynthMaker Update" topic)
attic ·
nix wrote: I want use waves
I think waves would be better also. Nix don't post up anything you don't want to loose, because I know infuzion is right.
I was thinking it would be more interesting to put something together that we allowed people to do what they wanted with. If they wanted to put some serious work into a sample pack but didn't have the skills to program it we wouldn't stop them from selling it if they thought it was good enough. . (While encouraging free releases). I think that approach would help SM sales and inject some life into the forums and community (Not that you guys aren't lively enough). I like the idea of people being able to run around with a portable recorder and make some unusual sample collections even if there a noob to programing in SM.
infuzion ·
attic wrote: I think that approach would help SM sales and inject some life into the forums and community (Not that you guys aren't lively enough).
I think the SM world is waiting for you to post your OSMs 😉
Perhaps I'm feeling burned out by all the WiKi work I've done, but I like building on stuff that I know I will use. But if I have to do all the hours of work to get something (like Preset Manager Reset, MIDI "Fine" control) I am likely to keep it myself. A rough sample playback OSM is easy to slap together; lots of parts everywhere. To make it special will eat up alot of my money-making dev time...
attic ·
I think the SM world is waiting for you to post your OSMs 😉
I have one or two kicking around here somewhere but each with its own issue's. I do think you might be better off starting from someone else's code base as I'm sloppy and not prone to documenting enough, but I will look for them if you would like.
if I have to do all the hours of work to get something (like Preset Manager Reset, MIDI "Fine" control) I am likely to keep it myself.
I can help. I'm good with graphics and know enough to take care of some things like the Preset Manager, Midi "Fine control.
I'm still trying to figure out some stuff but I could fill some gaps and help keep the hours down.
A rough sample playback OSM is easy to slap together; lots of parts everywhere. To make it special will eat up alot of my money-making dev time...
I don't know that it needs to be super special at first, the picture at the beginning of the post looks fairly simple. We could get it going and keep the build modular so we could re-purpose the parts so it wasn't a total loss of time and add the parts to the Developer's Toolkit or something.
nix ·
How create a samples bank?
Here is my start.
The next thing is velocity layers.
Ideally they should be variable between 1 and 127 different layers I guess.
Let me know if it's not working 4 u
Cheers 🙂
AngularMomentum ·
philter5 wrote:
infuzion wrote:
Nu Audio Science wrote: You can use this OSM to learn but unless you are going to post enhancements or fixes back into the project please do not release it as your own (I will go out of my way to publicize any misuse, this is a project for the entire music community)
I can guarantee this will happen. Perhaps in months or years, likely weeks. I suggest a take-down, & lend the OSM purely on a by-request basis. There are a few who keep doing it. There is a new-ish thread on KVR asking for 303 emulations, & at least 2 if not 3 are more or less direct copies of SM's tb303, I think at least 1 for sale, with out credits.
I follow the internet's basic rule: "If you do not want people to steal it, do not put it on the internet!"
That is why I rarely post OSMs anymore.
i can only agree with infuzion here... there are also versions of the ARP Odyssey Project that AM started here,
just stolen and used under another name.... first time i saw this it was COMMERCIAL, now it´s for free.
http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?pl ... sey&id=801
but that´s why i rarely post OSM files, too. People WILLL steal it, definitely, today or tomorrow or whenever...
The only gripe I have it is not shared here on the forum...I do feel some regrets and guilt not being able to go ahead and participate at all... 😊
infuzion ·
AngularMomentum wrote: The only gripe I have it is not shared here on the forum...I do feel some regrets and guilt not being able to go ahead and participate at all... 😊
And that is why I suggested "closed sharing", where it is limited by access to only afew people. You can get extra contact info if you want... But when that VST suddenly shows up where it should not (eg under someone else's name for money/extra fame), then you know who to blame, & don't give them access again.
People underestimate the time it takes to program & test & are not appreciative. Right now, I've forked the MultiStage Envelope, putting an extra 25+ hours in it. And I am still not finished. If I post it publicly, someone will scoop it up faster than a heartbeat. But I'll lose my extra edge to help sell VSTs, so that time will be wasted. I like helping, but I also have to make a (better) living...
attic ·
Nix has made a nice small start to one. We could all donate an hour to it and it would be much better.
durkk ·
I signed up for this specially for this thread!
I think it's a marvelous idea! So much better than working with things like Kontakt and other Proprietary solutions.
Amazing! Keen to help out in any way. I am a sound designer not a programmer (although i know my fair share of KSP scripting). My contributions are limtied this way but I hope to contribute none the less!
durkk ·
Ok my first 2 cents:
If there would be a system that ensure development and commercial success I think the best option would be a system much like NI uses for Kontakt. They have a royalty system.
The threshold with N is extremely high. You could have no threshold (ie sell 0 copies, pay 0). This way there still is a " open source" vibe to it. In the sense you dont need a big budget to even be able to sell products.
I am more than willing to contribute a % per sale to the dev team behind this. As long as the product is good.
Yuroun ·
If you need a beta tester from a sound designer point of view, let me know.
durkk ·
Kinda old thread - might be best to contact te OP?
Nu Audio Science ·
Sorry i lost any interest in this, SM is so far behind current tech that it seems rather pointless
You are much better off just learning scripting in Kontakt 😉
attic ·
After doing my research on how to carry out this kind of project and what the average cpu can handle, It became apparent that Synthmaker would not perform well as a candidate for this sort of thing. I have not lost interest in doing this but it will have to wait until the day that further development of Synthmaker would make this more feasible. For one we need disk streaming and there are many other reasons that this should wait. Maybe with Ruby if that ever happens, but note that maybe.
nix ·
IMO-the RAM usage is the problem,
CPU should be OK.
RAM is a problem in Kontakt too.
attic ·
Yes you are correct. looking at the files I tested on the cpu usage problem was for another reason, but we still need disk streaming.
nix ·
Yes, I'd love disk streaming 4 recording.
The recording function in SM is so clunky.
And new news,
sounds like we won't get 64-bit.
So damn--
I keep using SM,
but hmmph, might be it's day is done
infuzion ·
+1 NAS, attic, nix
I'm still debating to release my compressor, but if I do, I have to cut the asking price in half, due the likely chance that SM will never have 64bit OS...
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