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aliasant ·
This is driving me slightly mad'r.
I have brought my pc to the country place hoping to do some work here but I didnt bring my Motu Firewire ASIO card. 😊
I have uninstalled all my sound apps including Flowstone and Symthmaker. Reinstalled drivers and what nots. Pc sound works great with iTunes and vlc and others.
Everytime I try to use directsound from Synthmaker ( latest version) I get this error message. Not only once but twice even...
Help!
CoreStyler ·
It say that you are using another app running ASIO. Maybe you should close your sequencer
aliasant ·
CoreStyler wrote: It say that you are using another app running ASIO. Maybe you should close your sequencer
Thanks but i dont have any. I have un installed all sequencers and other audioapps. I uninstalled everything including SM, rebooted and reinstalled only SM and still get the same problem running SM without having any other apps running.
trogluddite ·
A quick workaround might be to use ASIO4ALL - I used it to get SM working properly on my netbook; and it might get you better latency than DirectSound too.
aliasant ·
trogluddite wrote: A quick workaround might be to use ASIO4ALL - I used it to get SM working properly on my netbook; and it might get you better latency than DirectSound too.
Im not that concerned with Latecny at the moment. Im trying to finilize o comp plug for a client and had planned to work from the countryplace. Taken pictures daytime and hacking SM at nights.... I did try ASIO4All yesterday but it didnt quite work for me. Seems that it can only use 44.1 and 48kHz? After I installed it my project sounded crappy. Like some resampling was occuring and no matter what I tried I couldnt make it better. When I listened to the same music directly from iTunes and not from within SM it sounded perfectly fine.
So I uninstalled ASIO4all and thought that I should use Direct Sound instead. I can use it at 192khz with iTunes and it works perfect... but not in SM.
Driving me mad. Are there any other options similar to ASIO4all?
CoreStyler ·
What is your audio card?
aliasant ·
CoreStyler wrote: What is your audio card?
Wow. My memory... Eh. I built this PC about 1.5 years back and the soundcard is on the mobo and the mobo is a ........ ( thinking,..... ) ....... ... ASUS P6T SE Found the details: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131386
trogluddite ·
Ah yes, it has Realtek audio - my old desktop PC used that, and I never got ASIO4ALL to work properly with it. The driver only seemed to support high sample rates for output but not for input - but, of course, SM always needs the sample rates to be the same, so only low rates could be used.
The ALC1200 is a particular mystery - there seem to be no spec's for it anywhere. Even Realtek's own website says that it doesn't exist, but it seems to be a custom chip that only Realtek use - very unhelpful!
aliasant wrote: Taken pictures daytime and hacking SM at nights...
Ah, that's the life for me! My camera makes me go outside and see the sunshine! If you're interested, I have some pictures on flickr.
aliasant ·
Wow. I found the latest drivers on the ASUS site and will try a reinstall tomorrow but after reading your intel i doubt it will work.
About pictures ! !!!! We shoot very similar stuff. Only watched a few of yours since im almost asleep using my iPhone but there are some great shots there!!
I just recently started uploading to my flickr but here it is.
My Flickr site.
We have to compare equipments some day 🙂!!
trogluddite wrote: Ah yes, it has Realtek audio - my old desktop PC used that, and I never got ASIO4ALL to work properly with it. The driver only seemed to support high sample rates for output but not for input - but, of course, SM always needs the sample rates to be the same, so only low rates could be used.
The ALC1200 is a particular mystery - there seem to be no spec's for it anywhere. Even Realtek's own website says that it doesn't exist, but it seems to be a custom chip that only Realtek use - very unhelpful!
aliasant wrote: Taken pictures daytime and hacking SM at nights...
Ah, that's the life for me! My camera makes me go outside and see the sunshine! If you're interested, I have some pictures on flickr.
Andrew J ·
trogluddite wrote: Ah, that's the life for me! My camera makes me go outside and see the sunshine! If you're interested, I have some pictures on flickr.
Nice work there Trog!
tektoog ·
Yep... very nice... I understand now why you 2 came to S|M... you like bugs...
aliasant ·
[url][/url] tektoog wrote: Yep... very nice... I understand now why you 2 came to S|M... you like bugs...
hehe I really like bugs. I used to feel they were creepy and unreliable but after I started photographing them that changed. Bugs are incredibly fascinating. They are complex creatures with intricate systems and societies. Several times / week I find new, to me, species and I feel a bit like Darwin or Linne'. Its great fun tracking them too. Can be very hard work to get close enough to them to frame their eyebrows 🙂 Then there is the other part of this. The hardware. Cant just use any lens to do this.
Back on track.
I think I sort of solved it. I set the input source of the Realtek audio to Mix and set its samplerate to 96kHz ( or 48kHz) and then set the output samplerate to the same. Now it works but oddly enough the samplerate inside SM reports 44.1kHz....
Im just glad I have sound even if its still a bit odd.
TomC ·
tektoog wrote: ... you like bugs...
Mmh, bugs:
🙂
aliasant ·
Mmmm........ sexy bugs
Doin the Deed by Martin Rodensjö, on Flickr
tektoog ·
Hehe...nice pix... But sorry guys... I have more a passion for plants.... that eat bugs...
CoreStyler ·
Try also to use Asio4all (beta) http://www.asio4all.com/ Maybe contains some fixes. hanges since version 2.10 beta 1:
Fix a number of relatively minor application compatibility problems Improve audio device surprise removal recovery. Now typically the response to removal/re-insertion of an (USB, ...) audio device would be to recover from the event and resume audio streaming. Workaround for full-duplex issue with Realtek HD audio drivers on certain Acer laptops.
johnjaypl ·
I just downloaded the demo and have the same problem as the original poster. Is there a solution to this?
I don't have any other apps running.
Jay ·
Can i just ask a simple question?
why are you guys trying to prog dsp softwares on less than adequite systems? is it because you think that if it works for the masses i can sell lots of em (because the masses don't give a shit about vst's really nor will they ever use them!) or is it that you chaps think that most of us musicians are on a threadbare budget and do not have up to date systems that have outborne the crappy outdated directsound and with it being dropped on decent machines of now why so important? i struggle to find reason why this is so important 😕
So someone could you explane why this dinosaur is requred?
Regards Jay
johnjaypl ·
Jay wrote: Can i just ask a simple question?
why are you guys trying to prog dsp softwares on less than adequite systems? is it because you think that if it works for the masses i can sell lots of em (because the masses don't give a shit about vst's really nor will they ever use them!) or is it that you chaps think that most of us musicians are on a threadbare budget and do not have up to date systems that have outborne the crappy outdated directsound and with it being dropped on decent machines of now why so important? i struggle to find reason why this is so important 😕
So someone could you explane why this dinosaur is requred?
Regards Jay
Ummmm. I'm just trying to run the demo that came with the free download. Can anyone help me make it work. I don't believe that there's anything wrong with my computer.
cyto ·
Jay wrote: Can i just ask a simple question?
why are you guys trying to prog dsp softwares on less than adequite systems? is it because you think that if it works for the masses i can sell lots of em (because the masses don't give a shit about vst's really nor will they ever use them!) or is it that you chaps think that most of us musicians are on a threadbare budget and do not have up to date systems that have outborne the crappy outdated directsound and with it being dropped on decent machines of now why so important? i struggle to find reason why this is so important 😕
So someone could you explane why this dinosaur is requred?
Regards Jay
😮 did someone touch a nerve? As aliasant pointed out in the original post, sometimes you are away from your "main" system and want to get some work done. Personally, I do more work on my little netbook than on my main system, it's just more convenient sometimes. I think it's legit concern that something as simple as the sound output of SM should function properly (even the DS outs). I've had more crashes in SM due to output problems than I have knee-deep in some questionable ASM routines.
Unfortunately, I don't have any advice for the poster. But I do have empathy. Poor guy just wants to get the demo going! I wonder how many sales have been lost due to this very issue? What a way to welcome him to the forum!
-cyto
trogluddite ·
Sorry Jay, but I agree with Cyto on this one, that was just mean. Our new friend hasn't given any hint WHY he wants to use SM - he's just trying to get the demo working, maybe just out of curiosity. If he gets up and running with SM, and then gets swallowed up by the passion for DSP the way that some us do, maybe he will end up shelling out for some studio kit and a zippy i7 (if he can afford to). But you can't seriously expect people to rush out and buy new hardware just to run a demo, so they can 'suck it and see' before committing to a potentially expensive hobby. And there are a hell of a lot of damned good programmers out there, who maybe wouldn't have ever become programmers if it weren't for cheap hardware and environments like SM to make that first 'taste experience' an easy journey. (How many C++ programmers today began their careers programming in BASIC with only a few Kb of RAM?)
@johnjapyl I'm guessing that yours too is a motherboard soundchip, and you tried the ASIO4ALL workaround mentioned earlier. First thing - do send an e-mail to the developers if you haven't already - if your soundcard works fine with other music software, then the SM guys have a bug that needs fixing. You may not have the best soundcard in the world, but DS is supposed to be a standard that works with everything, and you should not be getting crashes! Having said that, there is some truth in what Jay says - for a smooth ride with SM, even a cheap USB external audio card can make a hell of a difference. Even when you get no bugs, most MoBo soundchips just aren't up to the job for serious music making - many have 'special hardware features' that are hard to disable, and they can make SM respond sluggishly even if the drivers themselves function well Realtek chips, like the ones mentioned in the earlier posts, are particularly notorious in this respect - the hardware on the chip itself makes 'software turbo-charging' almost impossible.
Best of Luck getting up and running.
Jay ·
No it was not mean Trogg or at least not meant to seem so 😮
I worded my post with the words "why are you guys trying to prog dsp softwares on less than adequite systems?" With "Guys" being the optimal word here! it was not directed at the new fella if it was then M8 or his nick would be in place of "guys",instead it was an open question to everone! maybe its my Scots dialect, i type as i would speak!
fair enought to have a go at SM or any other dsp softs on a onboard audio system but imho you are serious about it then asio is a req and a decent machine to boot. And i was completely serious about the part on musicians kit.
and Cyto! No nobody touched a raw nerve,my post was not a welcome post either. This forum has taken on a Black Panther mentality lol the very reason i hardly ever post here! too many ppl ready to jump on the words of others 😠
Anywayz since i did not say it before - Welcome to the forum Johnjaypl
Regards
johnjaypl ·
@johnjapyl I'm guessing that yours too is a motherboard soundchip, and you tried the ASIO4ALL workaround mentioned earlier. First thing - do send an e-mail to the developers if you haven't already - if your soundcard works fine with other music software, then the SM guys have a bug that needs fixing. You may not have the best soundcard in the world, but DS is supposed to be a standard that works with everything, and you should not be getting crashes!
Yes it''s a motherboard soundchip. I have an ASIO driver on the system but I thought I check for a solution here before I go poking around. I've noticed I'm far from the first to experience this. As I said, I was just trying to kick the tires and I liked a lot of what I saw but when the software barfs on it's own demo it makes one suspicious - why wouldn't it?
I was hoping for an answer that goes something like, "yes we've seen that problem, it's because of _______ and you need to do _____, sorry about that." In other words, something reasonable. I'm also thinking that it should be self evident why a demo ought to work on a basic system.
I did download synthedit after maker failed and it worked fine. My first impression was that it's not as slick as synthmaker which is why I tried synthmaker first. On the other hand, it does have a rather nice property of working right out of the box.
My advice, fix your demo.
John
Jay ·
johnjapyl
Have you tried updating the Directx on your machine m8? afaik directsound is the audio componant of directx? lol i think anyway! It might work,might not, but worth a try! mind you if all is fine in other apps it prolly aint that! I had issues related to sounds within a game popping and cracking and playing off cue! reinstalling Dx solved it for me! just a thought!
best regards
aliasant ·
Direct Sound still doesnt really work for me.
I have reinstalled DirectX several times for other reasons ( gaming) but that never changed anything. I also tried to hunt down specific drivers for the strange non existing sundcard this mobo has but nothing has really helped. I guess I just made a bad choice picking my ASUS P6T Mobo. 🙁
The demo should work on a basic system. Anything else is bad. Especially since Outsim still targets beginners.
Jay ·
I reckon that WDM drivers interfaced with SM would be more of an advantage to users with onboard audio! a lot of the chips support them now! and prolly more in the future!
I have never had an issue with them on even the most basic systems but, whether that is a major undertaking for outsim to incorporate their usage into SM idk
Best Regards
trogluddite ·
@Jay Sorry if you feel that I jumped down your throat a bit there - it was the placing of your post right after johnjaypl's plea for help that seemed a little out of place rather than your opinions per se. For sure, 'serious' commercial development requires 'serious' hardware - and software too (I doubt that SM would be my platform of choice if I was looking to be anything more than a 'hobbyist'). If I had thought you were motivated by any kind of nastiness, I would have done a 'Stalinist Purge' of your posts! 😉
@johnjaypl Sorry that we've not been able to help you more. I wouldn't blame you one bit for being put off by the problems you're having - such bugs are inexcusable in software that has been around as long as SM has. Sadly, although SM does indeed have a great UI and can be a wonderful way to do DSP, the lack of support and development from OutSim is a very often sore point for us 'old hands' as much as for new users.
Tzarls ·
I remember having read somewhere that the problem is actually related to PortAudio, the audio engine used by SM. If my memory serves me well, I have found this same problem before with some other software using that same engine. Maybe a time to update it to the latest version?
Jay ·
Ha ha no worries Trogg Im not offended in any way at all, 🙂 and lol 'Stalinist Purge'
oh yeh i tried playing around with portaudio and the jack connection kit a while ago! ended up with one messed up pc lol
Best Regards
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