make sound without use of midi

Mo · 26 Jan 2011

Hi and welcome!

Yes, it is possible using mono stream as it always runs without any triggers. The State Variable Filter does self-oscillate at high resonance.

MichaelBenjamin · 26 Jan 2011

btw it would be nice if sm could efiiciently load midi data and manipulate/generate on that base, or even without any loaded midi data. currently the only way to get this working is to build your own "midi" data structure and let it run in blue like mo said (maybe its possible to read mid files and put them into arrays?)

ahs · 27 Jan 2011

thank you for your answers.

@mo

could you please explain this in short ?

cheers andreas

trogluddite · 27 Jan 2011

Poly streams - those are the white connections, only get processed when there is are MIDI notes playing. The MIDI to Poly module (essential for synths) allocates voices (and the CPU power for them) dynamically as you play and release notes. Without a MIDI to Poly module and some notes playing, white connections simply don't do anything. Really cool for synths, coz it saves lots of CPU..

Mono streams - the blue ones, don't have any link to the MIDI to Poly world, so they will always be running regardless of MIDI activity etc. You can however save some CPU by disconnecting all of the blue outputs from a module (e.g. with selectors), which will make it go to sleep. This is the way to make effects for audio tracks etc. - and you can still use MIDI controller values etc. to alter parameters.

oddson · 28 Jan 2011

Using just three stock modules and the Selector and Float primitives:

Sound source with On/Off

oddson · 28 Jan 2011

Or if you mean without any external MIDI:

This can be used in place of actual MIDI input to fake MIDI so that standard 'white' connections can be used. Especially if you want the envelope functions readily available.

ahs · 28 Jan 2011

thank you all ! for your help.

sm looks easier for me than max, kyma etc. !?

i like the 3he euro racks and try to emulate this in sm cause the hardware is to expensive. do you think this will work?

look here for the modules i'll modell

http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm than to "products" and "module overview"

is this possible?

trogluddite · 28 Jan 2011

Yes, creating SM modules is very similar to the way that modular synths work - you might be interesed in this thread Patch Cable Project.

ahs · 28 Jan 2011

that'S it !!!!

ahs · 28 Jan 2011

@oddson

i was cheering to early. how do i get the blue dots in the multi osc and i can't find the HZ primitive!

thanks andreas

oddson · 28 Jan 2011

The connections will go to 'mono' from the generic stream (grey with wave) once you connect to an explicitly mono data type (in this example the Direct Out).

You can explicitly set them by going inside the module and right clicking on the outputs. I should let you select the data type (but the other way is easier).

As for the Hz Primitive - it's a 'Float' data primitive that I've just labled as 'Hz' as thats what it's for. To find it type "float" into the toolbox search of use the "Elements" group. (I'm away from my SynthMaker machine so I'm going from memory here!)

ahs · 29 Jan 2011

thank you.

does the free version have not all of the modules as the paid version? i see some groups like array and sequencer

can you explain in short the context of your second example?

oddson · 29 Jan 2011

ahs wrote: does the free version have not all of the modules as the paid version? i see some groups like array and sequencer

I don't think so... "Element" is the group I was talking about and it includes all the data primitives like Float, Int, Boolean, Text and String.

I don't see anything called 'Sequencer' - but I haven't upgraded. Seems like an unlikely category since SM lacks the timing accuracy needed to do sequencing.

ahs wrote: can you explain in short the context of your second example?

Here's a very simple synth:

The module in the post above (the second example) replaces the MIDI input in a sound generator so that you have all the control of a normal synth but can run the note without need of any (external) MIDI signal.

See the example file attached:

ahs · 29 Jan 2011

thanks @all

i could be a long way to understand this !