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djbrynte ·
I saw on the dune demo that its got a filter called comb> LP24. (Combination) LP24 sounds like the v-station when i use it. So thats how v-station get its plastic sound. An combination filter. If a pro would help me here explain wich filter is combinated. I remember exo or nas showed me how to make combinated filters. But not wich one in this sound.
So anyone know how its done?
called comb > LP24
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I wonder where nexus take its samples from i will check it up.
adamszabo ·
what are you talking about? a simple 24lp filter is two 12lp filters in series.
trogluddite ·
The "comb" part possobly means a 'comb filter' rather than 'combination'. So it's possibly a comb filter feeding into a regular LP24 filter. A comb filter is basically a flanger but without any modulation - all you need is to feed the audio into a short delay, and then mix the delayed signal with the un-delayed signal. Here's a simple comb filter schematic...
...for the delay input, you need to use times between about 1ms and 50ms - the gain input is just an amplifier so you can reduce the volume if it starts distorting. Changing the delay time (with an envelope or LFO for example) will make a nice flanger kind of sound (maybe that is the 'plastic' sound that you like?).
Acrobat ·
adamszabo wrote: what are you talking about? a simple 24lp filter is two 12lp filters in series.
isn't the ladder 6dB x 4 stages?
MegaHurtz ·
Hey!, Anybody know where i can find that mag/phase analiser, ive lost it moving stuff and cant seem to be able to find it again.
rl ·
no, the real answer is: the combo filter in dune (nice instrument btw) is a group of two or more filters that play together. When each filter - at the same time - is playing a different tune, that's called "Jazz" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz)
- not to confuse the term with a guitar amp combo
djbrynte ·
intresting. All say diffrent O:
trogluddite ·
I reckon rl has it right (I never played dune so I was only guessing!)
Dozius ·
MegaHurtz wrote: Hey!, Anybody know where i can find that mag/phase analiser, ive lost it moving stuff and cant seem to be able to find it again.
If you're thinking about the one I made, it came in the smaller filter pack. I don't think it made it into the final one.
I'll post the latest version in my toolkit in the examples section for everyone.
Cyforce ·
Perhaps you have listen very false 😉
Comb + LP = LP? Never! V-Station LP = LP + Comb? Never!
Have you ever listen to a comb filter? V-Station has a normal LP FIlter, with 2-pol and 4 pols - 1pol = 6db flank
In Dune they added only additonal to the normal filter types some creative combinations, so they also didn`t need a big dual multimode filter and the synth looks much more easier to use as with. Only smart conception, easy looking but powerful.
theun ·
trogluddite wrote: I reckon rl has it right
@trogluddite: I am sure rl is right most of the time, but sometimes he is joking 😉 So your guess was 100% right:
Dune manual wrote: Comb -> LP24 This type is a dual filter comprising a comb filter followed by a low-pass filter in series.
@djbrynte the Dune manual explains how the different filters work. The .exe file that installs the dune demo vst file also puts a copy of the dune manual in your vst directory.
all the best, Theun
trogluddite ·
rl wrote: group of two or more filters that play together
He he, we were both right! But hey, that Jazz stuff is known to be an evil influence that warps the brains of even the most rational and intellectual of minds. I blame my brain fart on these guys... TRIO VD - I went to see them live three times this month, and I've just not quite been my old self ever since! (Shameless plug for my favourite band - but hey, after all the X-Factor/Britain is talentless/Pop iDull bullsh*t and mindless trance I have to listen to all day, I got a real need to be an avant-garde fundamentalist for Christmas)
djbrynte ·
About cyforce i have respect for you your talent into this. Just wonder about v-station. So its normal filter with pole? Hmm how does it get the plastic sounds its wierd. I dont get this. Cheers hope you ca nhelp me more. I have hard read all this. Just so u know. :P Thnx for all help guys.
adamszabo ·
djbrynte wrote: About cyforce i have respect for you your talent into this. Just wonder about v-station. So its normal filter with pole? Hmm how does it get the plastic sounds its wierd. I dont get this. Cheers hope you ca nhelp me more. I have hard read all this. Just so u know. :P Thnx for all help guys.
Its not the filter that makes it sound like it is, but usually the oscilaltors and a lot of other things.
djbrynte ·
URS heckman told me most of things are in the filters. But if you know how to make that sound pls show me would be very intresting and helpful =)
Cyforce ·
The Filters are one of the core-points, but not the only reason for a good sound.
If you take digital oscs, with also typical digital waveforms/shapes and put than on this a analog-modded filter - it will not sounding analog etc.
There must be every part of the hole signal flow be modeled on the sound-target. Ans sometimes there working hidden many many more as only osc + filter.
And V-Station LP - it`s a normal LP, no good one, no bad one, normal LP. The absolutly false reference for a good LP filter. Good would be there Urs`ACEs, Zebra, Massive Daft, Strobe, Curtis etc
djbrynte ·
So what is the hidden stuff they do. Hidden osc.? Or modulated oscilators or what ever. Mybe drawd saw osc? Diffrent shape ? Must be sumthing like that. =)
adamszabo ·
djbrynte, I didnt want to write this because I have better things to do (like working on my own synth) but I cant hold it anymore.
Do you live on this planet? Do you come from planet earth? It seems that we see the world very differently. Maybe its because I come from a different country than you. To be honest dude, I think you should take a chillpill and think for a little while. You have been asking for help sine you joined here. Evey single topic you created is you asking help. Last week you created like 5 topic of diffrent things for help. But thats ok. If you want to learn thats great. Asking for help is ok, I repeat, its ok.
Now, since you are asking for help about every little thing, I presume you do not know so much of programming. Yo dont even know the basic stuff, because you ask help of every little thing. Now my problem is, if you need help with every little thing, why dont you step back a little and try to reach smaller goals first? You have been working on the nexus clone synth for ever now, and you want to create the worlds best synth. I dont know how you are going to do that when you dont even know the basic stuff like making a preset list, or making a vector button.
But ok, lest assume that those are graphic elements, so maybe you are not good at those, but maybe you are good at dsp. But you are not even good at dsp because you dont even know anything about filters and oscillators and you are asking stupid qestions about magical filters and plastic and stuff like that, which make no sense at all. The worst part is where I snap: is when you think we are totally retarted, and you are trying to trick us, by saying: ooh, how do you make it, maybe you can show it. I dont know how to explain, in Hungarian we have a saying for that. Its like you are trying to manipulate us to do everything for you and show you everything. How the hell are we supposed to know whats going inside the V-Station? We didnt make V-Station. Novation Music did. And do you know what else Novation Music did? Novation Supernova, and Supernova 2, A-Station, and so on. They are hardware synths. They didnt make them with synthmaker. They propably used C++. And the people who programmed it with C++ are propably intelligent people who have a degree in science.
The other thing is, that everything you want is top secret. Sending private messages and stuff, and you always say, if we help you we get permission from you to use that in our own synth? What kind of logic is that? Seriously, we must come from different planets. I dont know how old you are, but I have a feeling you are not mature enough for intelligent communication. Also about your nexus synth. Its no doubt you wanted to create your own nexus, and with the fucking red V you insulted every one of us. Its SO OBVIOUS you wanted to make the vengeance feel, we are not stupid, but you think we are stupid, because you are saying it stands for vst. Did you really think we are going to say: oh ok he meant its vst ok I see now. No its not that simple. The real nexus has a red V, and your clone has a red V. Its not an accident. When even the blind can see that you wanted a vengeance feel on the synth, and you are saying you didnt know and its not vengeance, you are insulting me. The proper and mature way to go about it, is to admit it, and evertyhing would have been much better. And then everyone agrees that you know and we know that its about vengeance. And end of story. But no, you have go lying and saying thats its for vst and shit, and think we are total retards. Maybe you are sick and so on (I hope you are feeling better btw), but thats no excuse to act like a little annoying kid.
So my suggestion for you, is instead of trying to make the world best synth with minimal knowledge, take a break, learn a programming language. I know python. Its a nice easy language to learn (actually NASA use it too on some tasks). Learn that and you will know the basic thinkgs like, if, else, for loops and so on. Once your brain adjusts to that, you will have a much easier time to do things in SM. You can apply it to graphics, sound and everything.
When im working on my synth, I could have come to this forum and ask for help every week like you do. But I decided that I am not going to give up. And sometimes I work for two days on a small problem. And when I manage to get it, I get wonderful sense of accomplishment, that I managed to do it myself without any help. You should do the same. Try it.
Merry Christmas!
trogluddite ·
@djbrynte Adam has some good advice for you there - I know you sometimes struggle with reading lots of English, but please make an effort to read it all - and my PM to you yesterday (from your reply, I think you only read the start). If you have counsellor etc. for your illness, maybe you can show them, and they can help you to understand our advice? These are not 'attacks', we are genuinely trying to help you to get the best from the forum, and to be more in harmony with the people here.
djbrynte ·
ok so dude.
First When i mean helping. I will be glad with simple images and video tutorial showing. But there are close to zero tutorials on video or images.
And permittion. wha t i mean is permittion to use other modules and such as i made.
But ok.
Seems like you know everything? 57 posts. And then this. Anyway some modules is good to check when other peopel made them ofc. For learning. I have worked me up alot by reading tutorials even if i suck at it. And lok videos and asking.
Some times i get good help. And some parts i dont understand. And have you ever seen inside the siberia? You telling me i dont know how to make synths? I can admit i learn if i still can do pretty decent synths yep.
Also about DSP and c++ coding. If some one make a video tutorial explaining how it works would be great.
FAnnuan38efO(Y38rnf)/(#¤74unfgw89ht Mybe you understad this but i means give me a video tutorial.
called dyslexia. What ever some times when i read i jump over words and need to re read everything about 10 times to get what they mean. But then if some one talk or show me module or video clip or image i get it fast as hell.
under this 1.5 or 2 years time i made sytnhs. I have made around 35 garbage synths whos never gona be finished im consentrate on finish 1 synth at time. Before was for learning.
But i guess ur some pro. Is it wrong to ask how they can do a v-station sound. I mean what could be the hidden ideas? Mybe its illegal? Or do i look dumb to you when i ask. Mybe i shouldent ask just never aks anything. Myeb you would be more lucky?
I understand you dont like helping other people. Well lets see wonder if you have any topics about help? Or are you some kind of einstein? Know everything? Then why not help others who wana try.
And mybe i have good skillz in many htings and some parts in synthmaking and learning. I am a threat for you or is it any other problems or complications. What i mean by permittion using some modules. I also mean i can help you with stuff im good at. Back. I even posted a synth here once to help newbies i think you posted sumthing about nexus rompler sampler or sumthing i told i couold ogivve you a shot at siberia sampler how i built. But you wherent intrested. Or mybe that was another guy.
So why act like this. Do you think im sitting here doing nothing just wana chill and let other build my synth?
I can say i live for this shit this is fun i love makign synths so no way i would love do whole shit in coding if i could so and had knowledge as you mr einstein. I hope you understand this. Or im still an alien?
djbrynte ·
And i can admit some times its hard understand my bad bad english. And im not any rude or angry guy. I just wana learn and get ideas form others and have fun. Im not here to kill your ideas or anything i know you have alot of decent projects aka proucts out there whos very good. And im not here to try brag or do super flow bow synth in 1 % cpu owning all. That would be cool still. But i think its pretty hard to to do. Then you need to be some kind of einstin professor in c++ and all programming. And im not that guy. Im kinda ok in sytnhmaking and some little coding. I can do some coding actually not very advanced. Its why i wana learn. And who knows some day i mybe are very good an can teach other newbies or help people like you back. And i know im not URS heckman he helped me some explained what the secrets was filters and more. Hes pro. I cant say i will own him in this. They i lie. But cheers have a nice one. Good day =) gl with your stuff i guess i wont get the help for those things. What i mean by the secrets.
I wanted to know what could be the tricks. Double oscilator faten up oscilator. Detune them. Hidden oscs. Coding the osc bit. Draw osc little diffrent. Filters what ever. I think you got me bit wrong here dude.
cya johan.
adamszabo ·
But you see thats the kind of behaviour I mean. You fail to understand that I am trying to give you advice, and then you take it the wrong way and you are calling me "mr enstein" and "mr pro" what not. I never said you dont know how to make synths. I said you need to learn the basics of programming to get a better understanding of how things work. Also you are saying I dont help people. I just helped you a couple of posts above. And again, you havent properly read my post: you said I have 57 post, and you are making fun of it that I know everything with my mighty 57 post, compared to your 400 whatever. Do yo know why I only have 57 post? Ill give you a hint: because I dont ask for help every week, but instead I do it myself. And if I do it myself, I will learn faster. But you will never undersand what we are trying to say to you, because to you we will always be nazi, faschist, kommunist, killers who want to "attack" you, and you will never understand that we are trying to help you, so I dont even know why am I even bothering...
djbrynte ·
ok sry dude. Good to know your trying to help me. It more look like your trying to make fun of me. But ok if your trying to help me. Sounds better. But first so basic prgraming you say. You mean DSP filter codes?
trogluddite ·
@djbrynte A short comment on your earlier two posts (the big ones). Post #1 - you sound angry and defensive - understandable, some things adam said maybe seem hurtful (surely, not his intention) - Often, painful things are where the most is learned. Post #2 - you obviously had some time to think - that post is much more like reality, shows the 'human' part of you more.
This suggests that it is good to slow down a little, to make some thinking time before pressing 'Submit' (this is good advice for any person).
P.S. I am not Einstein either! In your PM you say the help is 'basic' and I am 'SM Expert' or something - I am very flattered 😊 , but really I only know some things. Oscillators etc. I don't know sh*t coz I only make effects. I didn't offer to help because I don't know how to help with those things. (plus I always forget to check my PMs!)
djbrynte ·
hehe ok 😀 Guess what i fixed the oscilator on my own 😀 The thing was. If you use coded oscs. You can use same codes for many oscs. Just use selectors or multiplexors or what ever.
So basicly you have like an osc bank and use the selectors to chose for diffrent oscilators :P
Saved me 5 kb and 1.5 % cpu now cpu usage is on 3-5% as maximum on my little synth.
but i have a main problem if anyoen could help me. When i load it into the host FL i use (whatever)
It uses like 1-2 % on start whilen ot playing any not so when i import like 5 synths its up on nearly 10% cpu. And im not playing 😕 What could be the problem here. This is just to wierd. Must be some signal that goes out. is it possible to make a module that turn off freq midi or the signal when i not play a note in the vst? would be very helpfull on this thing 😀
But as i say. Look you 1090 posts. You at least semi pro. Mybe not like the big guys URS heckman and them. But you will come there. And i prob dont have same skillz like you into this. But i learn and im pretty ok at this.
And im not here to think im some kind of superhero can do superhyper flow nexus but i at least try :P
djbrynte ·
yo sry bud takign your time i got it working 😀 hehe. So finaly i have my super synth done. Not the big one. I started on little smaller project to learn more 😀 Next will be bigger 😀 I will finish siberia when i have knowledge and actually this nexus clone is no more. Its still bit looking like it but its new design 😀 So dont worry about nexus 3 it wont come :P
trogluddite ·
djbrynte wrote: It uses like 1-2 % on start whilen ot playing
Do your patches have effects (reverb, flanger etc.) used? The blue parts (mono or mono4) always use CPU even when there are no notes - so usually the effects are always using CPU.
loopeytunes ·
can you put effects in white?
Dozius ·
If reading is truly a problem perhaps these videos on numerical methods could help you out a little.
http://numericalmethods.eng.usf.edu/videos/
If you google for DSP instructional videos you might luck out and find some university lectures online. When I was learning how to design analog synths I found some great lectures by Prof. Aaron Lanterman.
tor ·
Dozius: Thanks for the link to the videos 🙂
djbrynte ·
thnx doz... I will check soon when i wake up. Just got up :P Sleeped whole day :P
Cyforce ·
Well what a entertaining topic 😉
Adam has written down her some really good advices for our special clone-coder... "the red V stands for VST" - how many times this words bring me to laugh? Thx for it Brynte.
My advice for you would be - stop coding, search a new hobby! REALLY.
Why? If you don`t know all the simple small things, and didn`t wanna really learn and know it - you will never able to build something which is on a normal working level. And if you get your plugin-ideas only done through 50 help-topics tones of help-pms etc - also didn`t know what a comb filter is and how it works, sound etc - get you mind clear and thinking about the question "is this really right for me? try to building something without having the neccassary knowlegde?"
Sure knowlegde can be learned, but in your case, i don`t think so, based on some hard points in the other topic where i say something about your meanings and also based on some quotes in Adams topic. Your hole basement of thinking/relations is out of any good area. Total strange - nearly on a retard level. Sorry for this bad words, but if you would be able to see this what you doing here sometimes on clear neutral eyes - you would be heavy shocked.
Another example for your false hobby, long time ago, you posted the osm of the old version of your artic/nexus clone whatever, and i opened it on my big pc, and mhm well, if a plugin eats on idle on a tc asio device, and i7-920 cpu by playing 1 note 70% cpu - you really think you did there something correct? Or did you ever listen to your own plugin? The drive, the filter - they sounding like a pure audio-horror, and why? Because you not construction/designing a plugin, you only take some modules there, and there, put it into one box, nexus clone gui on it done....
As example, currenty my work on the small grizzly synth(http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=304163), which is on the first view very small, with "only" 3 quad-osc, filter, drive, amp etc - something like that would take usually by taking only modules and putting it together perhaps some hours to get such a synth done but you wanna know how much time this little synth takes till now? Up to 4 months! And why? Many many learning about the small things, which are mainly the importants onces and a lot of time are gone there - because i really listen to my own plugins. Also if you take normal stocked modules - why you should be finished than? It can`t be only be finished if all sounds good and not if all is copy&pasted into one box. Alone the 3 quad-oscs there have eating over 1 month, till they sound like they should sound, and there are also not only 4 osc in 1, there is much more working behind all, like i mean in the post before. Sometimes are there more modules/operatores/colouring tools etc inside hidden than the modules which you seeing in the final gui. Also the cpu-usage, optimizing - there is only one big tools which you can use - logic! re-thinking, re-designing the paths, maths and circuitry. Also little example, the polygrizzly eats on 8 notes at once with using 4x oversampling(iir) 2,3 % cpu, by using 8 voice at once, with a 4x oversampled complex fuzzdrive, filter and eq. And also on 16x oversampling the cpu usage is relativ low. And if i remind than your osm, which eats with zero(!) note 10% with 1 note 70% cpu...
Perhaps you should erase all your nexus clone osm/files etc, and starting from zero - and at first with learning and getting a clear mind for prepare to land back on the real planet! To realize also what strange meanings you sometimes has, like The other thing is, that everything you want is top secret. Sending private messages and stuff, and you always say, if we help you we get permission from you to use that in our own synth? What kind of logic is that?
and many more...
So my advice, search a new hobby, or get back to planet earth with a new clear mind and start learning and no cloning/stealing - like the red v... if we would not nice we would say "looks hot release it asap" and written in the same minute schleis and email for looking on his stealed logo...^^
adamszabo ·
I guess djbrynte, already understood what we wrote, so lets leave him alone now 🙂
Btw, Cyforce, I think I read somewhere that those plugins will be on mac as well? What developement tools do you use for that? The preset part looks like its from SM, but SM is only for PC. What do you do?
Cyforce ·
adamszabo wrote: I guess djbrynte, already understood what we wrote, so lets leave him alone now 🙂
Btw, Cyforce, I think I read somewhere that those plugins will be on mac as well? What developement tools do you use for that? The preset part looks like its from SM, but SM is only for PC. What do you do?
The Mono/PolyGrizzly etc is Synthmaker, DJBrynte have seen on my website an e-piano player/sampler(Divorce) with is for PC & Mac - and he guessed that it was also build with Synthmaker, but it was not build with Synthmaker. If yes - how could it be for Mac AU/VST?^^ So it was only a missunderstanding through DJBrynte 😉
djbrynte ·
i know its not SM dude. You cant make mac on SM. YOu can on seom way prob if you remake code in c++ or somehow.
What ever. I sovled all the problems now took me 1 day =) cya. Soon it wil lcome out the vsts 😀
Will be fun have some critism on my maximum 5% cpu using synth 😀 but damn loading time is about 3-4 sec into FL. to long. Should be 1-2 secs 😕
Ah but sry i was missunderstanding. I know you prob programing for some years cyforce. Prob have some skillz to 😀 Hope ur not mad at me. Because of my missunderstanding.
After all i think your great guys to.
Acrobat ·
loopeytunes wrote: can you put effects in white?
of course you can 😉
loopeytunes ·
Acrobat wrote: of course you can
Cheers. 😀
loopeytunes ·
Acrobat wrote: of course you can
Cheers. 😀
DownFlex ·
I know, old diskussion ! 😉
Look at Gladiator2, it has got a Comb Filter or Absynth5, it has got a SUPERComb Filter type. So Comb is nearly a flanger, thats right. And its unpossible to create a Comb Filter with two 24LP Filters, or whatever i have heared in the diskussion before ! 😀
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